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On 11 June 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Android rooting. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Blank edit requests

Page has been semi-protected indefinitely. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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As the editor who twice requested protection on this talk page for continuous vandalism with the persistent blank edit requests, I'd like to request assistance in the matter in preparation for when the next wave of blank requests hits. I do not want to be the one who has to submit a request a third time, so in case I'm not available to remove the vandalism, I'd like to at least continue the pattern: after protection expires, if I'm not here for it, can someone please make the request for page protection for me after the 3rd straight blank request in 24 hours arrives? This would help the users like myself who watch AnomieBOT's SPERTable greatly. Thank you. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 04:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If I see multiple blank edit requests placed here I'll be happy to submit a request. DonIago (talk) 15:05, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 11 June 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Seems that little has changed since the previous RM 8 years ago. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rooting (Android) → Android rooting – WP:CONSISTENT with iOS jailbreaking PhotographyEdits (talk) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:39, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to an edit summary from an old move, this was discussed at some point, but I'm having trouble finding the discussion. I can look later when I'm free, just wanted to note this, ~~otherwise the move seems perfectly reasonable~~. ASUKITE 13:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC) Struck comment as this was copied here, was lacking some info when I wrote that. ASUKITE 05:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The previous discussion is at Talk:Rooting (Android)/Archive 1#Requested move: Android rooting → Rooting (Android OS). DanCherek (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't support this proposal, and note as well that it was previously moved away from the proposed title in an RM discussion at Talk:Rooting_(Android)/Archive_1#Requested_move:_Android_rooting_→_Rooting_(Android_OS). The current title may not conform to WP:NATURALDIS, but it's much more recognizable. — Amakuru (talk) 14:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru I am not able to see why 2 swapped words and without parentheses make any difference regarding recognizability. It improves the consistency, makes it slightly more concise and is still as precise. PhotographyEdits (talk) 07:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the arguments raised at the previous discussion linked above. DonIago (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, and let me explain all the WP:CRITERIA. Recognizability: does not change, the same two words make it pretty obvious what the article is about. Naturalness: Android rooting is the natural disambiguation, preferred over the parenthesis disambiguation. Precision: Both are precisely about Android and rooting. Concision: saves two characters. Consistency: better with iOS jailbreaking. There was a recent RM, and there is strong consensus for that title. The argument that support the parenthesis disambiguation say that 'rooting' without Android is used throughout the article, but there is no policy against that with regards to the title. The arguements for the parenthesis disambiguation are in the realm of WP:ILIKEIT, as I currently see it. PhotographyEdits (talk) 16:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:RMCOMMENT: "Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line." - Aoidh (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoidh My initial move request was an explanation of a single line, this is not really a repetition I'd say. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The arguments in the previous discussion are very persuasive, specifically Steel and RedSlash's comments on the matter. The supposed "natural" title is awkward and hardly used in reliable sources. Yes, if you search exclusively for "Android rooting" in quotations you'll find uses, but remove the quotations and it very obviously becomes a minority in the results, which describe rooting in the context of Android, but do not call it "Android rooting" for the most part. As for consistency with iOS jailbreaking, even the lede of that article says that while they are sometimes compared to each other, jailbreaking and rooting are not the same process, therefore there is no issue of consistency between the two. - Aoidh (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"jailbreaking and rooting are not the same process, therefore there is no issue of consistency between the two.". If they were the same, they would be contained in the article. They are comparable, which is what matters. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:CONSIST, "consistency does not control...Disambiguation." Wikipedia Policy does not support the argument that you are presenting; consistency does not apply to how different articles are disambiguated, even if they are otherwise similar articles (which these are not). - Aoidh (talk) 09:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as Android rooting could refer to rooting an Android, a type of robot. cookie monster 755 03:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Rooting is rarely called "Android rooting", it's just "rooting". InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:47, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"rooting can void one's warranty"

The article contains this claim:

"On certain brands such as Samsung and Motorola, rooting can void one's warranty."

At least in the US, "void warranty" rules like this are almost never legal, and companies which make such claims can be fined by the FTC. See for example: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/07/ftc-warns-companies-stop-warranty-practices-harm-consumers-right-repair

The relevant law is the 1975 Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2304, which says that:

(b)(1) n fulfilling the duties under subsection (a) respecting a written warranty, the warrantor shall not impose any duty other than notification upon any consumer as a condition of securing remedy of any consumer product which malfunctions, is defective, or does not conform to the written warranty [except some exceptions which do not apply here.]
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(c) Waiver of standards The performance of the duties under subsection (a) shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance).

Obviously this is not a secondary source appropriate for Wikipedia, in terms of the interpretation of the law as it applies to this situation. (The FTC letter I linked above, threatening to fine companies for "warranty void if removed" stickers, is closer.) I am hopeful that perhaps someone can find a secondary source clarifying that, in the US, the manufacturers are on very shaky legal ground making such claims (which is probably why google's stock text when unlocking the bootloadder now says "(may void warranty)" rather than "void your warranty"), and they almost certainly cannot legally be enforced (unless the user causes actual damage to the device.)

Given that the linked sources for the void-warranty claims are from 2014 and 2017 (and the latter gives a very mealy-mouthed "It's a bit of a gray area" -- are any manufacturers actually claiming, in 2025, that rooting voids a device warranty in the US? If not, this claim may be outdated even without a viable source that such claims are prohibited.

User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 22:04, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I actually already found a good cite for this: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jailbreaking-iphone-rooting-android-does-not-void-warranty/

Found on Samsung_Knox, which says "In the United States, this information may be used by Samsung to deny warranty service to devices that have been modified in this manner. Voiding consumer warranties in this manner may be prohibited by the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act of 1975, at least in cases where the phone's problem is not directly caused by rooting."

If someone wants to edit this into the article, be my guest, otherwise I will take a crack at some point. User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 22:13, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]