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Nintendo Switch 2, like PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, is a ninth-generation gaming console! --Peter20040319 (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What source do you have that lists the Switch 2 as a ninth generation console? Masem (t) 12:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wii U was a failed product, so Nintendo Switch is an eighth-generation game console like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. --Peter20040319 (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a source. Sergecross73 msg me 12:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why is the Switch 8th generation and not 9th? Nintendo’s timing for console releases is now out of sync with the other guys. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because we have reliable sources that placed it in the 8th, not the 9th. Masem (t) 15:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The way I recall it, you initially had no sources and only reached the decision you did via consensus, which was then referred to by external media, which you then recursively used as your sources to retroactively back up that consensus. Let's not jump the gun this time. I'd personally posit Switch 2 as the first Gen10 console (similar to Switch being the first Gen9, which later bore true as the majority of its lifespan has now been spent competing against PS5/X|S rather than PS4/Xbone), but I'll at least agree to not declare a generation at all for the time being, rather than end up forming original research out of a vote again.VinLAURiA (talk) 07:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That linked discussion only happened after about a year and enough sources to be able to say that many sources placed the Switch in the 8th generation. So no, that was not original research in that consensus discussion. Masem (t) 14:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a flaw with Wikipedia that it can't apply simple logic without confirmation from a secondhand source 2600:1700:1D60:1A50:6157:865F:B23B:45A (talk) 00:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:V, we need a reliable sources that directly calls Switch 2 9th gen. Without that, it can't even be considered for the article. Sergecross73 msg me 12:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the Nintendo Switch 2 is placed in the 10th generation. Idrawrobots (talk) 07:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't compare power as if that determines a generation. Criseid (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely will be the 9th generation since we are in it since 2020. 67.43.190.226 (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speculation doesn't exactly help the discussion. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 21:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo’s game consoles focus on gaming fun rather than performance. The performance of Nintendo Switch 2 is similar to that of PlayStation 4 Pro, and should not be as good as PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S! --Peter20040319 (talk) 13:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We're not asking for your explanation, we're asking for sources that directly verify 9th gen. Like we need something like an IGN source that very literally says "Switch 2 is 9th generation." Sergecross73 msg me 13:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the administrators of Wikipedia are not people with high-functioning autism or Asperger's syndrome who maliciously block other people's well-intentioned edits... --Peter20040319 (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest that you stop your personal attacks as you did here, here, here, and above. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, the admin are people who are explaining the very basics of the website's policy to you. What you're describing is original research, and not allowed. You need to be writing according to what sources say, not your own personal analysis. Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with both User:Masem & User:Sergecross73 that there is no clear source to suggest that NS2 is 9th gen (or any other gen for that matter). Having said that, I think the way things are going the console generations are no longer relevant to begin with. I rarely ever see generations mentioned anymore in the gaming and tech press. Not many sources today speak of the PS5 and XSXS as being a "9th generation" system, and ever since the release of Switch the boundaries have been blurred. I predict that when the PS6 comes out we won't even hear of any "xth generation" stuff in the press, and that would also mean that Wikipedia will have to change in this context. --Sceeegt (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Nintendo's invitation to companies like steam and Lenovo to create handheld PC's that may or may not be consoles also blurs this line to the point of irrelevance within the press.
That being said generations are still important historically, so a solution should be found eventually, but that's a larger discussion not limited to just this page Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 07:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At this point in the article's evolution, the console is pretty much generally considered a ninth generations console; it's compared to the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S (e.g. "...to allow for visuals comparable to more recent ninth generation consoles.), and it uses the 9th gen navbox and category. Is considering the Switch 2 ninth gen by default a good/viable option? SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to make a call based on such vague claims. What sources are saying that? Sergecross73 msg me 21:06, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I based my argument on specific text within the article claiming that its 9th gen should probably be adjusted (such as the sentence calling it a 9th gen console in the new lead, I didn't use this for reference but it's an example). I apologise for that.
However, during the research I did after you replied, I found this article from reliable source Eurogamer: https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2025-df-direct-is-nintendo-heading-to-an-adorably-all-digital-future. It doesn't claim that it is a 9th gen console, but instead says this: "...with Nintendo seeming likely to adopt a similar cross-generation strategy to that of Xbox and Microsoft with their ninth-generation consoles." The "seeming likely" part makes this questionable to use, but it does raise the idea that the Switch 2 could be classified as both an 8th gen and a 9th gen console. That shouldn't be implemented yet, it just needs a reliable source to confirm that first. Hoping this wasn't all for nothing. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"cross generation" in that context is clearly talking to the console generations of the specific manufacturer. For example PS4 (4th Gen) to PS5 (5th Gen) within the Sony PlayStation family. It does not tie to the broader console generations across all manufacturers. Masem (t) 21:30, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Sorry for not thinking about it more clearly. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 21:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Switch 2 is obviously 10th gen by default 2600:1700:1D60:1A50:6157:865F:B23B:45A (talk) 00:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, everyone has their own take on it, but we need to go by what sources say. "10th gen" isn't one I've been seeing personally... Sergecross73 msg me 00:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.polygon.com/nintendo/23899504/nintendo-switch-2-release-date-power-name-games
Here Polygon call the Switch 2 "Next Gen"
https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/switch-2-hands-on-is-it-worth-the-upgrade-my-first-impressions/
Here Cnet refers to the Switch 2 as a "next-gen game console"
https://www.engadget.com/gaming/nintendo/nintendo-switch-2-recent-updates-release-date-price-new-games-and-everything-else-you-need-to-know-175623663.html
Here Engadget stats "The next-generation handheld will cost $450"
https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms/nintendo-switch-2/nintendo-clears-up-online-confusion-confirms-physical-switch-2-edition-games-come-with-the-original-game-and-next-gen-upgrade-on-the-same-card/
Here gamesradar calls the switch 2 games a "next-gen upgrade"
and as the current gen is the 9th, the next would be the 10th. Placing the Switch 2 firmly in the 10th generation. Idrawrobots (talk) 01:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Next gen" is often used as a marketing buzzword to mean "it's the new one". None of these sources actually say the words "tenth generation", and to assume the implication of such would be original research. There's nothing meaningfully conclusive here. silviaASH (inquire within) 01:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Companies also have their own internal definition of generations too, eg for Microsoft, the Xbox Series X/S is their fourth generation. That's why we avoid the "next gen" as a reliable term for definiting the console generations, since that has multiple meanings that are impossible to determine from context. Masem (t) 12:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with both Silvia and Masem. Equating "next gen" to a specific numbered generation doesn't work for a variety of reasons. Some people think Switch is 8th gen. So calling it "next gen" could mean "9th gen" to them. That's why we wait for sources to directly say "9th gen" than trying to apply it ourselves. Sergecross73 msg me 12:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If two Nintendo consoles can be in the same generation then two Nintendo consoles could skip a generation but I'll be sure to remember that next sometimes mean concurrent. Idrawrobots (talk) 23:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its entirely possible. Its also possible that the idea of console generations may be dying out, in part due to the console wars being declared over by some major figures. But we'll wait to see how RSes handle it. Masem (t) 00:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right, we just need to go by what reliable sources most commonly say... Sergecross73 msg me 00:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Vinlauria that we don't need to name any console generation. The framework of console generations is, in the first place, something that Wikipedia introduced through citogenesis. Rather than habitually perpetuate that 20 year old error out of editor overzeal, we should let reliable sources decide what console generation the Switch belongs to, if any at all, and if none is decided, then we should simply not list one. silviaASH (inquire within) 08:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for potential insights/criticism

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Considering the Nintendo Switch 2 direct is over, i suggest adding a section for current industry opinion and criticism

mainly to do with hardware and software pricing and just general vibes Zekromisblack (talk) 19:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably too soon, outside of pricing. Masem (t) 20:33, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Masem on this. I'd wait for either the console to actually release, or criticism to continue flowing in throughout the rest of the month, before adding such a section. Unnamed anon (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, did some thinking and i currently think its WP:TOOSOON
I reckon waiting a month or two to see how things play out would be smart. Zekromisblack (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Feel free to find some WP:VG/S-approved sources and go for it. There's probably not a ton out there yet, considering its been mere hours so far. Sergecross73 msg me 20:33, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Should we also mention Nintendo being accused of being greedy and anti-consumer here? 2600:4041:528B:ED00:959C:7BF2:1DFF:19E0 (talk) 13:30, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Greedy" probably isn't the right term, but there does seem to be some criticism on the high price of both the hardware and the games. It could be added (if it's not already) if it's in the context of reliable source coverage. (Think things like IGN or Eurogamer articles, not angry YouTube or social media comments.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:37, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Information on this has already been added, but it could probably be expanded using information from additional sources or additional information from the sources already cited, provided it's WP:DUE of course. silviaASH (inquire within) 13:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's already a pretty comprehensive summary of the situation, honestly. Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do these sources work?
2600:4041:528B:ED00:D842:1981:F611:888B (talk) 03:05, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here are more sources:
2600:4041:528B:ED00:D03D:6747:5D1:35EA (talk) 01:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to cross check with WP:VG/S, and propose specific content additions with the WP:EDITREQUEST system. Sergecross73 msg me 01:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

4K 120hz ambiguous

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I don’t want to make the edit in case I’m wrong, but I don’t think this system does both at the same time. My reading of the release is that it’ll do 1080p at 120fps, or 4K at 60fps. So it can do both, but not at the sane time. The current cited source for this claim in the article is vague, and doesn’t support “4K at 120fps” as currently worded. 86.144.129.75 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i can add to this with this note on the Nintendo website and this from eurogamer and I'm sure others Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 11:02, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I'll change it. -Kai445 (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GameChat Section to the page

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GameChat is a VoIP service that will be introduced by Nintendo on June 5 2025, on the Nintendo Switch 2, GameChat will be available to all users from June 5 until March 31 2026, after that date, it will only be available to Nintendo Switch Online Members. 86.99.96.96 (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valorrr (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More than likely GameChat will be covered on the system software page, whether the Switch 2 system software will get its own page or we'll use the existing page, we don't know yet, because very little else about the system software has been revealed, short of the improved eshop, GameChat, and virtual game cards. Masem (t) 18:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2025

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{{subst:trim|1=

Under connectivity in the infobox, it would be preferred if | {{Collapsible list came after | title = Dock

instead of before, as it now looks weird.

}} 83.253.16.149 (talk) 13:54, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done yeah that was strange, i notice the og switch page does the same, but no other console does so i assume thats a mistake as well Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2025 (2)

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Pre-orders have been delayed in the US due to tariffs. https://x.com/dexerto/status/1908176655077540128?s=61 Ezlo Jeslan (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done This is covered under the Pricing section. GSK (talk • edits) 22:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

US$80, not US$90

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"Select Switch 2 games were announced to be retailing at US$90, which drew additional criticism."

As far as I've seen, there's no Nintendo Switch 2 game retailing at $90 in the US. This came from European prices being announced first and people assumed it would be 1:1 with the US pricing. This could've been cleared up, but the critique was $80 games. KoniverseTwentyFour (talk) 03:59, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the general pricing for games is $80USD per many sources like this. The $90 price point are isolated incidents related to retailer or region. Sergecross73 msg me 13:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, Mario Kart World is the only Switch 2 title priced at $80. - Richiekim (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/no-switch-2-games-arent-90-the-internet-is-just-broken-beyond-belief/ - here's a source outlining how this keeps coming up, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 18:55, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battery Life

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2-6.5 hours is listed as an "improved battery life" over previous models, but the Wiki page for Nintendo Switch contradicts this showing equivalent and longer lasting battery on the older models. Trainmania100 (talk) 17:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think it may be a mix up on wording. It's an improved battery if it can last as long as the original Switch with the increased Switch 2 processing power, but you're right, it wouldn't be improved battery life. Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Switch 2 Pre-Order dates for U.S.

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Nintendo has now announced that pre-orders for the Switch 2 will start April 24th in the U.S. (couldn't find specification but also most likely applies to Canada), can this be reflected on in the article? (specifically when the intro mentions the pre-order delays) https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/nintendo-maintains-nintendo-switch-2-pricing-retail-pre-orders-to-begin-april-24-in-u-s/ Naoskiiiiii (talk) 00:17, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's already in the article. Sergecross73 msg me 00:24, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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