Talk:Multiverse (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

SSU / Earth-688

Some TV spots of the brief live-action Mrs Chen encounter in ATSV have listed the SSU as Earth-688. Obviously this is just referencing the unofficial Marvel Fandom designation of Earth-TRN688, but considering it’s now featured in an actual movie I’m wondering if we should update to reflect that. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 20:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

No, such an information would belong in a hypothetical Multiverse (Spider-Verse) article, not here, as it isn't canon to the MCU. (By the way, this is not an invitation for editors to create that article.) InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Coming back to this after I saw the movie they pretty much confirmed they are all connected. The movie designated it as Earth-688, and during Miguel’s exposition when he explained the tragedy all Spider-Men go through, Andrew and Tobey’s worlds are shown (already connected to the MCU). And the icing on top is Glover himself appearing in the film (in a live-action cameo) as the Prowler from the MCU. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 00:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

It was not confirmed that that Prowler was from the MCU, stating such would be WP:SYNTH. That is archive footage of Maguire and Garfield's films, and only implies audiences to make a connection. The Spot visiting the universe Mrs. Chen (and by extension, Venom) is in does not need to be explained here, and would be better explained at Sony's Spider-Man Universe, which I am looking into incorporating. As noted in this article already, one of the directors of Across confirmed it was not intended to connect to the MCU, even with that line about Doctor Strange and Holland's Spider-Man, though it did use a display of the multiverse that was visually similar to that shown in Loki, although "pretty much" is not enough of a confirmation, and since Marvel Studios has yet to confirm or acknowledge that the Spider-Verse is connected, I'm not confident it should be included here at this time. I'm pretty sure once Beyond, Madame Web, and the fourth MCU Spidey film release, we'll have a closer understanding of what's going on and how these all may be connected, but we do not know this solidly yet. Trailblazer101 (talk) 08:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

There is already a Marvel universe designated as Earth-688, and it's not the SSU HaydenTCEM (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

That is within the Marvel Comics. The SSU does not subscribe to what the comics’ multiverse does. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Glover’s Prowler

I might be beating a dead horse, but one of the artisits behind the design/concept art for Donald Glover’s LA Prowler seems to have spoiled that it was indeed the MCU Prowler, as shown at the bottom with the tag saying “MCU Prowler”. I’m not sure if this changes anything but this makes the ATSV worlds as part of the larger MCU multiverse position stronger. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 17:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Concept art does not always translate every detail into the finished product, and is almost as unreliable as merchandise such as toys. It does not confirm anything other than that was a concept they explored. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Peter-Two and Three designations

@Trailblazer101: The designations of 96283 and 120703 should be exceptions because since we are likely not going to see them again until (possibly) Beyond in 2025/26 Secret Wars in 2027/28, we aren’t likely to see an in-film confirmation. But given that they’re widely known as such and even Marvel.com itself mentions Raimi-verse as Earth-96283 in a 2020 post and not stuff from the marvel fandom wiki. And the official script gives them the name Raimi-verse and Webb-verse. This is almost the same things used to justify mentioning the 688 designation for SSU since ATSV designated it that. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 06:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Marvel.com is referring to the Official Handbook, and is not affiliated with Marvel Studios given the divide between Studios and the defunct Marvel Entertainment. A 2020 source from before NWH's release is premature. The potential likelihood of if those universes appear again is not relevant here as we go by what is factually known. I for one did not know of these designations prior to NWH, so I would not say them being "widely known" is a good rationale. I am not doubting their official usage by the Handbook, although I will stress that they have not been used or recognized by Marvel Studios, Sony, or the creatives of NWH, and we know what the Handbook uses can differ for Marvel Studios (ie 199999 vs 616). We can definitely mention the universe names as given in the script, although, as this article is specifically about the MCU multiverse, we should go by what is used in terms of that. We do not mention Earth-688 here, nor at the main MCU article or the MCU films list but solely at the SSU article and I believe at Across, for that reason (plus SSU and Across are both Sony-owned and controlled properties). Marvel Studios and Sony collectively dictate the MCU Spidey films content, and none of them have used those universe designations from what we are aware of. If a source confirms they do, then we can add it, although, the current sourcing is not a confirmation of its usage here by simply stating what the Handbook uses and I don't think an exception should be made for this as no source concretely backs it up. We cannot automatically assume that because they are the same universes that the same universe designation from the Marvel Comics side of things is used for the Marvel Studios films. That would be WP:SYNTHESIS. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

199999

I don't think the person who made the page notice understands what a multiverse is. The MCU should be regarded as a "mini-multiverse," with Earth-199999 as its primary timeline/continuity, not unlike how the "DCAU" is a mini multiverse with Earth 12 as its primary continuity. To refer to the MCU as if it is a reboot of all Marvel media is completely absurd. Bringing up the fact that the Prime Marvel Universe and Spider-verse films aren't canon to the MCU is absurd too. Because OBVIOUSLY that's how canon works. If something takes place in some universes but not one in particular, it's not canon. I think we need to rethink how we go about this and just stick to the handbook designation because it was first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HaydenTCEM (talk • contribs) 13:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Whenever "Earth-616" is invoked in the article, it is being discussed from an in-universe perspective, such as in the quasi–plot summaries. This is because within the MCU, its denizens use "Earth-616" and not "Earth-199999". For the parts of the article written from a real-world perspective, we clearly state what Marvel Comics, Marvel Studios, and Sony Pictures Animation call the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

The MCU's denizens do not call it 616. Only the Baxter Foundation of Earth-838 calls it that. HaydenTCEM (talk) 17:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

What? Feige and other Marvel Studios execs have called it 616 while others use 199999. Both are reflected accurately in this article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Addendum: within the MCU's realm of canonicity, the MCU does not share the same multiverse with Marvel Comics and Spider-Verse — because the films have never acknowledged that being the case. On the other hand, Marvel Comics has clearly established that its multiverse includes the MCU, as have the Spider-Verse films. It doesn't go both ways until Marvel Studios says otherwise. Similarly, we have no evidence the events of Tobey and Andrew's films occurred in the MCU multiverse; as far as we know, they're brand new characters who happen to be played by familiar faces (read: fan service), just like Professor X in Multiverse of Madness and Keaton/Clooney in The Flash. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Except NWH made it crystal clear that it is the same worlds from Tobey and Andrew’s films, they make numerous references to those films and even give hints as to what happened after we last saw them pre-NWH. Also Professor X in MoM is from 838 and nothing suggested that it’s the Foxverse. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 07:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

OR. Batman and Joker in Lego Batman also reference events from previous live-action movies; the Pizza Planet truck is in every Pixar film; G.I. Joe shows up in the latest Transformers; and of course, there's the infamous Fietro incident. Easter eggs and fan service that reference other films are not uncommon, but we cannot jump to conclusions. Remember that even Alien vs. Predator has been declared non-canon to the Alien films. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Dude stop embarrassing yourself. Across the Spider-Verse features characters from the Comic Multiverse and it's been explicitly confirmed that Tobey and Andrew's Spideys in NWH are the same ones from their respective film franchises. Your input is useless and I suggest you leave this talk page. HaydenTCEM (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

This is a case of apples does not equal oranges. Just because one thing is true does not automatically mean something else is true. We use the different terms based on which parties use them to refer to the MCU multiverse and the main MCU universe. Without updated sourcing to discount that, we can't make such changes to reflect one's preferred opinion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Even though occassionally used, the designation of universe where central events of MCU not cleared till this date. It was designated as Earth-616 in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) by Marvel; and Earth-199999 in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (2023) by Sony. Littlesquirrell (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Marvel's official designation within the MCU is what we go by for the MCU articles. Earth-199999 was a real-world designation, though Marvel Studios uses a different universe designation within the MCU's fictional multiverse. Besides, Spider-Verse is Sony, not Marvel Studios. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Not taking part in this discussion anymore but instead I am commenting. I do know what you said as it is clearly understood by this discussion but it does lack references differentiating the difference those designation. Littlesquirrell (talk) 15:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

This has all been well-sourced in this article and discussed in prior discussions which back this up. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for telling me. Littlesquirrell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Earth-625

This Universe first appeared in What if...? S2.1 is designated 625 in What if...? S2.7 200.117.38.178 (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source that supports this? Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, not really. But it is mentioned by Captain Carter as "Xandar-625" in the episode 3.7 of What if...?. I made a mistake the first time I wrote S2.7 200.117.38.178 (talk) 13:00, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, citing the episode directly is not really sufficient, and that quote does not explicitly confirm this Earth designation. I have seen the designation used on some fan wikis, but those cannot be used for verification. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Understood, thank you 200.117.38.178 (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2025 (UTC)