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Finished medical studies?

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According to obits he was susceptible to Soviet blackmail as he never finished his medical studies. Should article be changed to reflect this?Mwinog2777 (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced text

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I cannot find sources to support this: "At the time of his arrest, Klingberg was series editor of Contributions to Epidemiology and Biostatistics and co-chief editor of Public Health Reviews." Have removed text for the moment. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 06:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 00:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 02:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review. Comments will come momentarily. Z1720 (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments on prose:

  • The lede is quite long. I would trim it down, and possibly remove the quotes from the lede. Done
  • Birthday should be added to "Early life" and cited  Done
  • "In 1981, he co-founded the International Federation of Teratology Societies and in 1982 he was elected to the council of the International Epidemiological Association." needs a citation  Partly done source for IEA found, have dropped text on the other society, cannot find a source (this was from before I started working on the article). --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Former Shin Bet director, Yaakov Peri, acted as a character witness." This should be placed before information about Klingberg's release  Done
  • "On 18 January 2003, Klingberg was released from house arrest. He immediately left for Paris to live with his daughter Sylvia and grandson Ian." Needs a citation  Done
  • "He continued to take an interest in events in Israel, and read Hebrew newspapers." Needs a citation  Partly done removed sentence, cannot find a source (this text from before I started working on the article). --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He was cremated, and his ashes were interred in Père Lachaise Cemetery."  Done
  • Place the Personal life section before "Release and later life" as this information happens before chronologically. Other option is to intersperse this within the article when these events happened. Done moved section up to appear before "Release" section
  • The "Family" section has too much information about the children. If information about them is important, they would have their own articles. Otherwise, only a brief mention is appropriate.  Partly done Have shortened a little. The grandson has their own page and the article text on him is only a single sentence. Klingberg's daughter and wife are possibly notable in their own right, but there's a reasonable argument that WP:NOPAGE can be applied to them and the information is relevant to Klingberg especially in terms of their political alignments. Overall, this section is less than 8% of words in the body text.
  • How does Sylvia's marriage and divorce connect to Klingberg? Afterall, this is Klingberg's article, not Sylvia's. Z1720 (talk) 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does his son's political career relate to Klingberg? Did Klingberg convince his son to join politics? If there is no connection, perhaps this should be shortened and the paragraph merged with the paragraph about his sister. Z1720 (talk) 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A microbiologist by profession and a survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto, her parents and siblings were murdered in the Holocaust." How does this directly connect to Klingberg? Why does the reader need to know this information to better understand Klingberg's biography? I think this can be reduced to "While living in post-war Poland, Klingberg met Adjia Eisman, who went by the name Wanda Jasinska, a microbiologist and survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto." Z1720 (talk) 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've elaborated on the direct connections between the family members with additional sourcing. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Image review:

  • File:Maklef Klingberg Jasinska.jpg and File:Wanda Jasinska and Marcus Klingberg.jpg need a US-pd tag  Not done have removed the images, do not appear to be US PD
  • Per MOS:UPRIGHT, px should be replaced with upright.  Partly done pixel sizing removed altogether, thumbnails only
  • Suggest adding alt text per MOS:ALT  Done

Source review:

  • No concerns with earwig
  • Source review not completed yet
  • Source check not completed.

I will leave it here and put this on hold. Z1720 (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720: many thanks for undertaking the review. I've responded to all your comments; let me know if there's anything else. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review:

  • Amnesty International: "Avraham Marcus KLINGBERG" titles should not be in all caps per MOS:ALLCAPS.  Done
  • Sources checked and verified: 4, 11, 13, 17, 30, 36, 38.

Source review completed, comments above. Z1720 (talk) 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720 - thanks again for your reviewing. I've added material:
  • that relates to Klingberg and Wanda Jasinska being jointly engaged in spying activities;
  • that elaborates on Klingberg's participation in Sylvia's life and her attempts to have him released;
  • that indicates Klingberg's grandson's views on his grandfather's motivations and also his personal effect.
Hope I've responded adequately to you queries. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goldsztajn: If a passage is meant to be a connection to Klingberg, then it needs to be explicit in the article and obvious to the reader. The more text there is in an article, the less likely the reader is to read it. Here are some notes about specific passages that I find problematic:

  • "A microbiologist by profession and a survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto, her parents and siblings were murdered in the Holocaust." This seems to be about Jasinska, not Klingberg. I would move the microbiologist information to later in the sentence, when it is mentioned that she handled a bacteria strain. The rest can be moved into an article about her.
  • "In September 1990, she died and her ashes interred at the Père Lachaise Cemetery in Paris." How does this connect to Klingberg? He doesn't remarry as far as I see, and the article doesn't describe how her death or burial affects him.
  • "was active in the socialist anti-Zionist movement Matzpen" The article needs to explain how this directly connects to Klingberg, or should be removed.
  • "an Israeli political activist serving a prison sentence on charges of spying for Syria" The article needs to explain how this directly connects to Klingberg, or should be removed.
  • "Divorcing three years later, Sylvia later emigrated to France, where she was active in the far-left and married French philosopher Alain Brossat [fr]" The article needs to explain how this directly relates to Klingberg.
  • "Sylvia died of cancer in October 2019." The article needs to explain how this directly relates to Klingberg.
  • The first sentence about his grandson does not explain the direct connection between Brossat's political career and Klingberg: if Klingberg's philosophy inspired his grandson's political leanings, this needs to be explicitly stated.
  • The quote about Klingberg is unnecessary and should be summarised in the article instead of remaining word-for-word in the article.
  • "He was cremated, and his ashes were interred in Père Lachaise Cemetery." If he was interred next to his wife, then this should be included in the article and mention of her death might be more appropriate here.

Those are my thoughts about the suitability of what should be in the article. The reference section has been resolved. Z1720 (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720:. Comments/changes:
  • Moved text of Jasinska's death and interment to that Klingberg's.
  • Added further text on Klingberg / Sylvia relationship from his memoirs and Israeli jounralist comments.
  • Jasinska's origins are mentioned in all the major pieces covering Klingberg and discussed in his recollections; I've made some copy-edits to make even more explicit the linkages; dropped mention of microbiologist.
  • The material on Sylvia's relocation does directly relate to Klingberg - there's a sequence of events that are necessary to explain: (a) who initiated his attempted swap/release in the 1980s (not possible if Sylvia not in France) (b) his move to Paris on release from house arrest in 2003 (not possible if Sylvia not in France). It would be question begging without mention of why she was in France in the first place and also provides a clear explanation of why Klingberg's grandson has the name Brossat (and not Klingberg, or Adiv or something else).
  • Removed quoted material and add more information on Brossat and relationship with Klingberg.

Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goldsztajn: Sorry for the delay. First, I'll post some responses, then continue my review:

Responses:

  • I am trying to avoid this article becoming a WP:COATRACK for other people. Some of the details mentioned about others are too far removed from Klingberg's biography that they are not necessary in this article. Examples are listed below:
  • Even though Jasinska's origins might be mentioned in major pieces covering Klingberg, it does not mean that Klingberg's article on Wikipedia should include that information. Wikipedia's articles are typically shorter than the sources that they are based on and thus need to summarise and include only the most necessary information. Details about Jasinska's life are off-topic to Klingberg's article unless they directly relate to Klingberg's life. For example, Klingberg's marriage to Jasinska needs to be included in this article because it involves Klingberg. How Jasinska died does not involve Klingberg, and thus it should not be in the article.
  • Sylvia's first marriage is not necessary to understand Klingberg's biography. It feels like trivia about Klingberg's thoughts about his daughter's choice in marriage, and is off-topic for this article. It would be better in an article about Sylvia or Ehud Adiv.
  • Mention of Sylvia's second marriage is also not necessary. Brossat is not mentioned again in the biography, and his connection to Klingberg is not explained.
  • Yes, the article should mention that Sylvia moved to Paris, to explain why Klingberg joined her in that city upon his release. However, the article does not need to explain why Sylvia is in Paris, as that is not related to Klingberg's biography.
  • As for his grandson's different last name, many grandchildren have different last names from their grandparents. Since this is a grandchild from his daughter, most people in the Western world will understand the difference in name. Explaining this is not necessary in this article.
  • " In September 2023, Brossat was elected to the French Senate, representing the Communist Party." The other information in the paragraph is related to Klingberg, but this sentence is about Brossat's achievement, and not Klingberg. It's not necessary in this article.

I'll wait for responses to the above before continuing. Z1720 (talk) 20:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720 - I've not forgotten about this, but will need a few more days to reply, please. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 04:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn, when will you have time to address these comments? Ideally, this review should be wrapped up pretty soon. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn: has not edited the article since March 27, so I am going to close this as a fail for now. When the comments about the article's focus are addressed, an editor can renominate this for GAN. Z1720 (talk) 00:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review

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Passed. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Goldsztajn (talk · contribs) 08:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk · contribs) 23:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator: Goldsztajn (talk · contribs) 08:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Article is well-written and concise.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Lead section summarizes the main points of the article. Layout is chronological, which makes sense for this article. No WTW issues.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Sources are listed very organizedly.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Statements are cited to academic works and newspapers. Primary sources are used ABOUTSELF.
2c. it contains no original research. Article reflects what sources say about Klingberg without drawing any unsupported conclusions.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Earwig flags a Wikipedia clone; besides that it mostly highlights proper nouns. No close paraphrasing.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Article details the key points of Klingberg's career and summarizes what sources say about his espionage, which is the most notable part of his career.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Article gives just enough background information to understand Klingberg's life.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Article does a good job at weighing Klingberg's own statements against competing claims from investigators, without bias toward one side. This adequately reflects how the situation is covered in RSes.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. Article is stable.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. A fair use image is used for the deceased subject, which is allowed. Other images are free.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Images are relevant to the article.
7. Overall assessment. A well-written biography. Good work.

Initial comments

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  • Having read the first GA nom for this article, it appears that this article got quite close to being approved. Most of the issues mentioned have been addressed.
    I see one specific thing that has not been fixed: you still include the phrase a member of the French Senate since September 2023, representing the Communist Party about Ian Brossat. This is too much detail; just describing him as "politician" would be enough.  Partly done - have trimmed this paragraph.
     Partly done I've done another rewrite to that section. Goldsztajn (talk) 21:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see a few one-sentence paragraphs. Most of these should be combined with other paragraphs.  Partly done - I see three? Have amended two.
  • The photo of the Abu Kabir church is relevant to Klingberg, but it's not mentioned in the prose. I think you should add a sentence about it.  Done
  • I'll be doing some copyedits myself for grammar, clarity, etc. Thank you

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Acknowledged.--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

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  • Klingberg made major contributions in the fields of infectious and noninfectious disease epidemiology and military medicine Not verified in body
     Comment: in the section titled "military and scientific career" from the paragraph beginning with "upon arrival in Israel" it gives full details of his work, this sentence summarises that.
    He was accorded a detailed obituary in one of the world's leading medical journals, he's the founder of a major instution in non-infectious epidemiology and elected to the governing body of highest international organisation in his field. Academics who have not made major contributions are not accorded this kind of recognition. Goldsztajn (talk) 23:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    More:
    • "his pioneering epidemiological research." Sir Iain Chalmers
    • "his epidemiological skill, that was appreciated world-wide" Gaetano M Fara, MD MPH, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Public Health, Sapienza University of Rome, Department of Public Health and Infectious Diseases
    • "he also became an internationally known epidemiologist and published numerous scientific papers." The Guardian 2014
    • "An internationally acclaimed Israeli expert in chemical and biological weapons" The Times 2015.
    Goldsztajn (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • he is most widely known for Not verified in body
     Comment: this is a statement indicating that he is more known as a spy than as an epidemologist - every single obituary conveys that.
    I'm not really not sure about the problem here, it's not a statement akin to a mathematical proof, it's a relatively simple observation - media reporting of his death is headlined by his spying activities, just a glance through the sources listed in the news section shows this. I've added text to the death section which shows the widespread newspaper of record reporting on his death. Such reporting would not have occurred without his spying activities. I'm not wedded to the specific phrase, but this is a sky is blue statement and turn of phrase to contrast his notoriety as a spy with his work as a scientist. Goldsztajn (talk) 01:05, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Goldsztajn: It's a simple statement, yes, and it is true, but it's still original research to make an observation yourself. The body simply does not verify the words he is most widely known for. It could verify a different phrasing, like he later became known for. I do not think SKYISBLUE applies here. Also, I think you should remove your additions about the reporting on his death; this just adds an unnecessary level of detail. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      I think reasonable people can reasonably disagree ... and this is certainly one of those cases! However, I don't want to get hung up on this issue; I've reworded the lede and converted the newspaper of record reporting to a note. Goldsztajn (talk) 20:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Klingberg's espionage is reported to be regarded by Israeli intelligence services...  Partly done reworked this section
    Also, statement could be added to the body as well. Done
  • Originally from a family of well-known rabbis Body does not say they were well-known  Done
  • his studies were cut short by the German invasion of Poland in 1939. At the urging of his father he fled Poland for the Soviet Union, completing his medical degree in Minsk... → During the German invasion of Poland, he fled Poland for the Soviet Union, completing his medical degree in Minsk... Done
  • in 1941 at the start of the war with Nazi Germany  Partly done shortened, provides context to why he joined
  • By his own admission, he was motivated by ideological reasons and began passing information to the Soviet Union in 1950, although Israeli intelligence claims his spying began earlier. The year is not an important detail for the lead.  Not done the sources regarding these aspects are contradictory - reporting of Israeli intelligence claims and Klingberg offer differing accounts. I feel this is a Wikivoice issue and we should be attributing to the sources, especially as this is the lede.
    • I agree, now that I have read the article more thoroughly. You're right that the phrase "By his own admission" is important to attribute the claim that he was motivated by ideology. However, I still think the specific year is not important, so you can remove the part about that. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 05:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)  Done[reply]
  • Despite coming under suspicion by counter-intelligence, he avoided discovery until 1983, when he was arrested → After coming under suspicion by counter-intelligence in the 1960s, he was arrested in 1983  Partly done the mention of avoiding discovery I feel should be retained - most of the sourcing picks up on this.
    I've rewritten the section in the lede and dropped "avoided discovery". Goldsztajn (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Acknowledged. --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

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  • his entire family also perished in the Holocaust.  Not done

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is unnecessary, the lede mentions this and links to the Holocaust, and the sentence before discusses the murder of his immediate family at Treblinka. The Holocaust is also mentioned in the next section. Goldsztajn (talk) 02:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

World War II

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  • The quote describing Gromashevsky is not necessary.  Not done

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As there is no English article about Gromashevsky it's not possible to assess the significance of his training without this. Goldsztajn (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Military and scientific career

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  • Delete which was in the closing stages of its War of Independence since it already says "newly formed".  Partly done
  • Israeli journalist Yossi Melman reported Shin Bet claims I don't think this needs to be attributed to Melman. Done
  • Delete (south of Tel Aviv)  Done
  • In 1981, he was elected since 1981 is mentioned later in the sentence. Done

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Responded.--Goldsztajn (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Espionage activities

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  • Delete From then to 1976, since 1976 is mentioned later in the section.  Done
  • at the time the Soviet Union's second highest honour  Not done the award later became the third highest
    He received what at the time was the USSR's 2nd highest civilian award. In 1967, the USSR created a new award (Order of the October Revolution), which was given precedence above the Order of the Red Banner, thus moving his award from 2nd highest to the 3rd highest. It would be incorrect to state he received the highest or the third highest. He was given what was at the time the 2nd highest award. I think this is important, because if one does not specify that, a person reading the article might follow through on the link and find it was the third highest, which makes this information appear incorrect. Given the exact date he received the award is not available in the sources, but the sourcing refers to it as the second highest, it's necessary to specify "at the time". Goldsztajn (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Klingberg's intelligence on Israeli offensive capabilities led the Soviet Union  Not done I don't understand the reason to remove this.
    There's nowhere else in the article which specifies offensive or defensive capabilities. The sourcing discusses that during the 1967 war the Isrealis discovered chemical weapon defences in captured Egyptian positions - speculating that the Egyptians were expecting chemical attacks from the Israelis. Given the chemical and biological weapons reasearch includes defensive and offensive capability, this distinction is important for context here, especially also as there is debate over whether the Soviets provided intelligence to develop offensive capacities (apparently less likely and far more controversial). Goldsztajn (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • reportedly due to the fact that his interrogators simply asked the wrong questions You should either entirely remove the word "reportedly" or specify who reported it.  Done attributed

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Responded. --Goldsztajn (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Capture, trial, and detention

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  • where a chemical plant had allegedly blown up → where they said that a chemical plant had blown up Not done sentence already contains use of "they", repetitious.
  • by his own account, he attempted suicide three times Not done this is uncorroborated independently, I do not think Wikivoice should be used.
    I think attempting suicide three times in short succession is an exceptional claim, while in the context it is plausible, I still feel Wikivoice should not be used here. Goldsztajn (talk) 10:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead should mention the fact that his circumstances were known outside of Israel in 1988.  Done
  • Delete in Kirya (central Tel Aviv) The location of the agency is not important.  Done

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Responded.--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life and family

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  • Delete and decided to emigrate since the next sentence mentions their emigration. Done
  • I think a lot of the information in this section could be moved to other sections. Specifically, the mention of negotiations with East Germany and the Soviet Union should be put before the other mention of this event. I think you should remove this section altogether and move all of the information to be chronological, but I'll let you decide. Done removed the whole section, material edited and inserted elsewhere.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) On the second point, give me a day, will consider how that suggestion might work. --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:18, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Release and later life

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  • This section looks good, besides a few minor copyedits I have made myself. Thank you

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Acknowledged.--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source spotcheck

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  1. checkY The source verifies that Klingberg's espionage was damaging, but does not attribute this to intelligence services, so I will assume the first source says so.
  2. checkY checkY checkY checkY
  3. checkY
  4. checkY It's reasonable to presume that this is him.
  5. checkY checkY checkY
  6. checkY checkY checkY
  7. checkY
  8. checkY checkY checkY checkY
  9. checkY
  10. checkY
  • And every use of the Melman & Klingberg 2006 source: checkY ☒N Does not mention the cousin checkY checkY checkY Except it says some members of Shin Bet, not the whole organization checkY checkY checkY checkY checkY checkY ☒N Does not mention Jansinska's collaboration in the espionage checkY checkY Except it does not say Jansinska's cause of death.
Melman & Klingberg 2006 also says he himself chose to cut off ties from the USSR in 1976; you say that "contact with Soviet intelligence lapsed", which is different.
  • Okay, looks like the sourcing is mostly accurate. I'll require some changes to the prose before approving this nom. Putting this on hold for now. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 02:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing for only surviving cousin corrected.
  • Clarified Shin Bet belief (some, not whole organisation)
  • Jansinska's collaboration is sourced to Pringle 2014.
  • Jansinska's cause of death corrected and sourced to Pringle 2014.
  • Sources regarding the end of KGB contact use different phrasing, eg he retired and therefore no longer could pass on information is different than cutting contact, later he was entrapped through a false KGB contact, so I think the most neutral term here is lapsed.--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:52, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: - I'm pretty sure I've now responded to every single one of your comments, and re-responded where you're left a response. Many thanks for all the input, let me know if there's anything else. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin all  Done. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:00, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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