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Caitlyn Jenner

Change the name of Bruce Jenner to Caitlyn Jenner because that's her name. 96.28.104.1 (talk) 02:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not name used at the time of marriage to Kris. This article is about Kris Jenner, not her ex. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason why this guy has been permitted to essentially make himself the lord of this post without any oversight?

People have expressed genuine concerns surrounding the repeated misnaming of Caitlyn Jenner - concerns that (as several people have pointed out) ARE SUPPORTED BY WIKIPEDIA POLICY on how trans people's identity's should be dealt with - and Geraldo here has basically taken it up on himself to just say "no" to all of those concerns and shout down any discussion that disagrees with his take. 2600:1004:B215:14B9:DD5C:4A72:5435:8D2A (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read the archives and how the consensus for the current version of the article was formed including the RfC that was held to support it. Nothing has changed since then. Also, to reiterate, this article is about Kris Jenner, not her ex-husband. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kendall and Kylie's articles both refer to her as "Caitlyn" though. We should at least add a note about it. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is appropriately and well covered in the article at the "Marriages, relationships, and family" section and mentioned in the lead section. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:09, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I meant in the infobox, like on another article (I don't remember which one). Both Kendall and Kylie's articles refer to her as "Caitlyn". Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 21:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In those articles that is the current name of the person who is their father. In this article in the infobox we have the name of the person Kris was married to for the full duration of their marriage. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this logic holds up. Caitlyn Jenner is still the same person who was married to Kris, regardless of what name she has/had. The guidelines on gender identity say "In articles on works or other activity by a living trans or non-binary person before transition, use their current name as the primary name (in prose, tables, lists, infoboxes, etc.), unless they prefer their former name be used for past events." Unless you have reason to believe she prefers her old name to be used for past events, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to change the name in the infobox. Gravelove (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See notice at top of this page and Talk:Kris Jenner/Archive 1#Bruce Jenner and the RFC where this was discussed. To reiterate this article is about Kris Jenner and it is more important to be considerate of misrepresenting her in an article about her than someone else in this article that is not about that other person. The article as it currently stands strikes the proper balance. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A trans woman is being misgendered and deadnamed repeatedly in this article (against Wikipedia guidelines) and in this talk thread. I remember trying to make this edit years ago and there appears to be no substantial or significant reason for it to have not yet been changed. Nfdgoisn (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A specific trans-woman, Caitlyn Jenner, has indicated she doesn't mind references to her past name and gender. The RFC referred to above explains all that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality, as noted in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Sexuality, should not be a major concern: "Care should be taken to avoid placing undue weight on sexuality. A person's sexual orientation or activities should usually not be mentioned in the article lead unless related to the person's notability."

Therefore, we should refer to the style guide's information about gender identity (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Gender identity). As indicated in this section, Caitlyn's deadname MAY be used as a parenthetical in the article for clarity ONCE. There is no evidence that Caitlyn prefers to use her deadname in reference to the past and Kris refers to Caitlyn as her ex, without deadnaming Caitlyn.

Nonnormal87 (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Caitlyn doesn't care either way and doesn't get upset when her old name is used in historical contexts as this article is doing. Again see notice at top of this page and Talk:Kris Jenner/Archive 1#Bruce Jenner and the RFC where this was discussed extensively. The article as it stands now strikes the appropriate balance between correctly representing Kris Jenner's sexuality - she is not a lesbian who was married to a woman - and Caitlyn Jenner's transition after the marriage was over. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched everywhere and found nothing that says that Caitlyn doesn't mind being deadnamed, yet you repeat this. What are your sources?

Additionally, the talk archive is just you stating that this is the way it must be. Nonnormal87 (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's from this notable interview.[1] I did not have any issues finding it on google through the basic search term of caitlyn jenner deadname. The pertinent quote: "“I liked Bruce. He was a good person. He did a lot in his life. Oh, ‘he didn’t even exist’. Yes he did exist! He worked his butt off. He won the [Olympic] Games. He raised amazing kids. He did a lot of very, very good things and it’s not like I just want to throw that away.”" Morbidthoughts (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it matter?? This had absolutely nothing to do with her yet you can’t shut up about it?? When Kris was married she was Bruce, why is that so hard for you to comprehend?? 152.97.100.201 (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a note to Bruce's name indicating that she has transitioned and now uses Caitlyn. This is how it's used for her other ex-wife as well. Pretty simple middle ground between acknowledging that she was known as Bruce and presented as male during their relationship while also not denying her new name and her actual gender identity. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 19:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It states Kris has 12 grandchildren, this is incorrect. She has 13. 195.213.52.126 (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an article listing all 13 of Kris Jenner’s grandchildren https://people.com/kardashian-jenner-grandkids-full-guide-7552553 ForlornCake9226 (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kardashian, Superstar

It's pretty silly the article doesn't mention her connection to the production of her daughter's pornographic film. It's the main reason for their enduring fame and multiple sources (Ray J and Ian Halperin) have indicated that she was involved in both the production and release. 73.189.18.236 (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo?!

I thought Wikipedia didn't allow heavily edited photos of real people? You've gotta be kidding me with this one. Ieditthethings (talk) 01:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can't add a note to Bruce Jenner?

I support leaving it as Bruce Jenner in the infobox, but why can't we just add a note to it reflecting her current name and gender identity? This is what we have done at her other ex-wife, Linda Thompson, who she divorced long before transitioning. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 22:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caitlyn Jenner doesn't consider Bruce Jenner a deadname and thus it isn't one as we respect the words of the subject in this respect. Lots of discussion about this issue on this page and others. A note reflecting the info note at the top of this page may be appropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At virtually every other page that mentions Bruce, we include a note. I see no reason to treat this page differently. See Athletics at the 1975 Pan American Games, Athletics at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's decathlon and 1976 United States Olympic trials (track and field). JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is covered explicitly in context in this article with more detail than the footnote at § Marriages, relationships, and family. Also noted in the lead. In other articles the footnote is the only mention. Also Bruce Jenner is linked and redirects to Caitlyn Jenner where there is an explanation in the intro. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change spouse’s name from “Bruce Jenner” to “Caitlyn Jenner.” 2001:1970:57DF:6C00:E548:38B5:EA75:6115 (talk) 09:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Refer to extensive discussion above and FAQ box Jip Orlando (talk) 14:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MaryJo Shannon, is still alive and did not die in 2000. Change the following clause:

Mary Jo "M. J." Shannon (née Campbell; born 1934-2000)

to

Mary Jo "M. J." Shannon (née Campbell; born 1934) 70.21.192.86 (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already done LizardJr8 (talk) 18:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Early life section is states her mother passed away in 2006, her mother is still alive and celebrated her 90th birthday last July:

Source: https://people.com/kris-jenner-celebrates-mom-mj-shannon-90th-birthday-8684586 2603:7000:D2F0:9780:347D:99EE:C766:2FFB (talk) 04:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already done jlwoodwa (talk) 06:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change Bruce Jenner to Caitlyn Jenner 172.218.166.189 (talk) 03:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:57, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change Bruce Jenner to Caitlyn Jenner under spouses section 2601:444:800:B890:ACD3:92BD:9C63:C093 (talk) 05:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done You need a compelling reason to go against the consensus determined on this talk page and archives. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]