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Does this article only cover what happened in July?

I'm open to discussion, but this edit removed much more than the "the events in august", as GevHev4 claimed that they were "unrelated". The only source given as a proof that the clashes officially ended on 16 July is from Armenia. Isn't that POV-pushing? The article's title is 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes, not July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree that the main phase of the clashes ended on 16 July, but this doesn't mean that nothing happened after it. The fighting still continues, a UAV was shot down in 21 September, in Shamkir District, about 40 KM deep into the Azerbaijani territories. For example, see how this article covers the insurgency that happened after the initial operations. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum

12:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let's to not be disruptive. Per article and per sources the events started on 12 July 2020 and ended on 16 July. Events after that period are not clashes. GevHev4 (talk) 13:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hate crimes against KZV school were an important part of events, condemned by Pelosi and others. It is not just an incident. GevHev4 (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About the correction of deaths on Armenian side see the discussion: Talk:2020_Armenian–Azerbaijani_clashes#Correction_for_the_deaths_on_Armenian_side. GevHev4 (talk) 13:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict?

The article states that this conflict is "Part of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict". However, clashes do not take place in the Nagorno-Karabakh region as can be seen on the map. It is necessary to correct this classification. --Fontaine347 (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting article

I'm trying to split the article into two, new article about international reactions. Also, I will remove the twitter sources about protests (not leader reactions, will try to replace it). Any opinions? User:Beshogur/International reactions to the July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes, I'll work here tomorrow. Beshogur (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean official statements in Twitter, they shouldn't be removed if they are from officially confirmed Twitter pages. GevHev4 (talk) 21:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, that's what I said. Plus apparently there was a page called Reactions to the 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes, I'll move this to International reactions to the July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. Beshogur (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By the way moved the article. Also removed the incidents which are already here present. Beshogur (talk) 10:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GevHev4:, can you elaborate? Why did you revert? Beshogur (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Please, move the whole text and then edit, for other users to be easier to check, why for example FCP statement disappeared. GevHev4 (talk) 10:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well I removed 3 sections from the Turkish parties consituting majority of the parliament as well, I do not think these are too important. Beshogur (talk) 11:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Kocharyan and Sergey Lavrovs comments

Robert Kocharyan blamed Armenian side for escalation in July clashes i think it should be mentioned in the begingin of the article as both of them are high profile figures in the conflict. https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20201204/25624716/Vlasti-Armenii-sdelali-vse-chtoby-priblizit-voynu-v-Karabakhe---Kocharyan.html, also Sergey Lavrov mentioned Armenian sides attempt to reinstate old border post reignited the conflict his direct quote in Russian "Плюс исключительная перегретость публичного пространства по обе стороны границы. Своего рода спусковым крючком послужил и географический фактор: решение армянской стороны" https://www.trud.ru/article/20-08-2020/1393051_sergej_lavrov_pandemija_uskorila_myslitelnye_protsessy_v_evrosojuze.html 80.76.168.114 (talk) 09:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We need to be careful given internal Armenian politics and Armenian/Russian relations around Pashinyan's government here. Armenian PM Pashinyan is opposed by these two, and placing the blame for the results of the war on Pashinyan is a major political narrative here. Vici Vidi (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first of all there is no proof that Russia or Sergey Lavrov are against Pashinian or his government, second of all Robert Kocharyan is and will be Armenians Second president and he is words carry weight. The other side of the coin is that they might reveal truth which Pashinian is trying to hide so just because it might damage Pashinian it does not mean that it should not be in Wikipedia, also if Biden or Dem reveal something about Trump should we just ignore it just because its opposite side?! seriously i'm missing the point.... Agulani (talk) 08:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kocharyan's statement in the lead

Hey Jr8825, would you mind explaining the user one more time why the inclusion of Kocharyan's statement in the lead isn't appropriate? He don't seem to "got it". Best regards! LevonAUS9 (talk) 09:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]