Talk:Japanese Girls Never Die

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• ... that the film Japanese Girls Never Die was praised by critics for its critique on sexism in Japanese work culture?

• Source: The Japan Times, Variety, The A.V. Club

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Create (song)
• Comment: I don't know how to phrase this hook it. Also, I would like this to be put upon approval on SOHA for the International Women's Day.

5x expanded by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - See comment

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: No issues with eligibility, hook is fine and sourced even if it's not the most interesting. The double digit percentages on Earwig are from review quotes/proper nouns. The film has been released, so the premise section should be a fully-fledged plot section. There are also multiple grammatical errors in the article, including run-on sentences. The flow of the article is also pretty bad (e.g. 12/19 of the non-lead/plot/cast sentences begin with "The film" or slight variations such as "The film's", with 4/7 of the remainder being about reviews that all go "X of Y said Z". Release and marketing are both short and should probably be combined in some way per MOS:FILM. There are serious, but not insurmountable presentation issues that need to be addressed before approval. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

I've done some preliminary cleanup work. Also, in the hook, "on" should probably be replaced by "of".

• ALT1: ... that the film Japanese Girls Never Die was praised by critics for its critique of sexism in Japanese work culture? -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:46, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: Thanks for reviewing, I fix some of the issues you pointed out, tell me if there's more, also, I'm slighly confused with story's phasing, so It hard to make a plot summary but I'll try my best. Also, your suggested hook is much better. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 00:19, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Just ping me when the plot summary is written and I'll take another look. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight:, I had written the plot. I don't know how to write one so this might be a sloppy one and I hope you can help me fix it. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

For one, it's more than 700 words, which is the limit recommended at MOS:FILMPLOT. It should use the narrative present tense (WP:PLOTPRESENT). There's so many tense flips here, I'm not sure what the narrative format of this film even is, and without watching the film, can't really fix the issues. I would recommend reviewing the two pages I linked and rewriting the plot summary. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:39, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: I done what you are talking about and lower the word count to around 670. Also, as the movie, switches between two people. I retain some of the past tense when character is talking about what happen in the past. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

The plot section (or rather, plot paragraph!) is still very poor with lots of typos (e.g. Masabu/Manabu? Haruka?) and grammatical mistakes and what seem like many prima facie irrelevant details (e.g. exact salaries, exact punishment for vandalism) while lots of essential details are omitted, including but not limited to:

• What job does Haruko have?
• What exactly is Yukio's relationship to the other characters?
• What Yukio's gender is (only revealed after the third namedrop)?
• Why should Aina and Yukio remember Manabu from just seeing him?
• How much time is passing between events? Does the film take place over two days or more?
• Why does Haroko have a missing person poster?
• Was Aina using a fake identity?

From what I can tell the movie seems to follow two main characters (Haruko and Aina) in a linear manner and there is some sort of reveal about the missing posters at the end, which is not explained very well Having multiple protagonists/storylines is a very common feature of movies, so perhaps you can take a look at a film that you have seen from Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Films and see how their plot section is written and try to emulate it here. Given that the plot section is in this state, it is probably necessary to have brief descriptions of the characters in the Cast section as well, which would alleviate some of the issues. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: Sorry for the late reply, the movie does not seems state how much time has passed each scene, as even the reviews by users on Eiga.com talks about how confusing the story is. There is a lot of details was missing in the movie. this is the pirated version of the movie on dailymotion (I don't think there is a english platform where this can watched legally) if you want to watch it for yourself.

I don't think I can answer most of the questions above, but I have fixed most of the issues I can fixed. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:24, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: The prep set for International Women's Day is now open, please return to this nomination when you can.--Launchballer 13:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I took a brief look at the pirated film version to try and get a grasp on the plot. It seems pretty clear that the two main plotlines are (mostly?) happening at different times since Haruko is obviously not missing yet in her scenes while the Aina plotline resolves around creating art around Haruko's missing poster (which has a 2015 date) until apparently near the end, when Haruko shows up with a child. I would suggest the plot be rewritten in a way similar to The Godfather Part II which also follows two different timelines. Also, since we have access to the film credits, a fuller cast section can be written in accordance with MOS:FILMCAST (e.g. multiple roles currently described in the plot do not have listed actors in the cast section, and one actor in that section has a role not named in the plot). -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: I don't know if it helps, but I had a go at reordering the Plot section myself. I got hold of a cast list from Themoviedb and added it as an invisible comment - @Miminity:, I don't speak Japanese, so please verify it and publish it.--Launchballer 07:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Thanks for the help, Yes it is true base (though I tweak a little bit) on this Eiga.com Source, though do I have to source it or leave it as it is. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

That depends. If you got it from the film, you can leave it unsourced; if you got it from somewhere else, you really should cite that. Ball's in Patar knight's court.--Launchballer 13:12, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer:  Done Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Patar knight: There is a date request for the next set to be queued. What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 16:24, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm willing to AGF that the credits are correct, but the plot summary is still a mess with no delineation between the two timelines. Last week, I suggested following the format of The Godfather Part II, which still has not been done. That article has a short out of universe blurb at the top to introduce the two timelines, a subsection for the past with Vito Corleone and followed by a subsection for the present with Michael Corleone, and then a short bit at the end where they include the ending flashback, which for this would probably just be the ending where they apparently tie up the timelines. Another example of this plot summary structure is Memento, which also separates out the two different timelines until the unifying ending segment. I would rather not have to watch an 1h40m film myself as the reviewer, so I would prefer if the original nominator did that. If there's major push to get a special queue for International Women's Day (right now there's only one entry in the holding area), I can see if I have time later this week (please ping me if that's the case). -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:26, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

The set I had in mind is currently in queue 7, but it may have to go back. I added a couple of section headers and an introductory sentence.--Launchballer 20:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Now prep 3, but I also added a short "Ending" subsection, so this should be done.--Launchballer 12:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

For context, I watched the first 15 min. to get a grasp of the film. The film actually opens with a montage and the scene with the mother seemed very unimportant, which appears to be correct given that she's not mentioned again in the plot summary. The description of Haruko going to Yuji's place for the first time is entirely overly detailed (he waits for her outside and lets her in, which is the actual focus of the scene) There are still all kinds of grammatical mistakes and unexplained characters (e.g. "A man told him that Hitomi" has an unexplained man and "him" should probably be "her"?). I don't have a lot of confidence in the fidelity of the plot. I'll make some changes based on what I watched, but I'm not sure its read for DYK. It also looks like queues are not being switched to doubles, so perhaps this can wait? -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:41, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Made some fixes based on the first 15 min and did my best to copyedit some of the remaining plot section based on the reviews I read and what I did watch. It is still not up to par, with highly confusing statements such as Manabu is found in a car by a police beaten up; Yukio and Aina argue in the car about whether they are why. What are they arguing about? Were Yukio and Aina not found by police even though they are ostensibly in the same car? -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:17, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I corrected that statement as I introduced it (I meant 'why he was beaten up' and those the prose improved for not having 'beaten up' twice.) I can't help you with text-to-source integrity.--Launchballer 11:26, 14 March 2025 (UTC)