Talk:Jakob Ingebrigtsen

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GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jakob Ingebrigtsen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk · contribs) 23:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Editør (talk · contribs) 00:09, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

I believe this article has still too many issues to be resolved through the GAN review process within a reasonable amount of time, so unfortunately I am failing the nomination.

For the career section, this article should use clear inclusion criteria for competition results. For instance, the subsection "2018: European 1500 m and 5000 m champion at age 17" includes only one race, but not the European Championships referred to in the title, not the World U20 Championships he competed in and not the Diamond League meeting he won, which all seem worth mentioning. With clear inclusion criteria, editors could go through the results on his World Athletics profile, select those that should be included in the article, and then search for supporting material from additional sources. I think the Career section should improved before this article should be renominated.

Some additional comments:

• Avoid very short sections or single-sentence paragraphs.
• The Ingebrigtsen family seems to have played a major role in his life and career and has had media coverage, I think it should therefore be described in more but appropriate detail.
• The placement of images can be improved.
• Image alt texts should be added per MOS:ALT.
• Table captions and column/row headers with scopes should be added per MOS:DTAB.
• The personal bests in the infobox should be formatted according to the infobox's documentation (event: time (year, record)) which should make the list more compact.
• Source references should be added for all the records in the Achievements section not directly on his WA profile.
• 'Retrieved' dates should be added to all online source references.

Feel free to contact me if you have questions. – Editør (talk) 00:09, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just another reviewer who happened to be looking at this page, but just to let you know, only 5 MOS pages (aside from captions) need to be abided by for GA review. it "lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation."

According to WP:GACN,

"For the purpose of a GA review, all other parts of the MoS are optional except captions and image relevance, which are discussed in part (6) of the GA criteria."

Just felt that was worth mentioning for some of your MOS issues. The rest of the issues you bring up still stand of course. Urchincrawler (talk) 01:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

You're right, MOS:ALT and MOS:DTAB are not mandatory for GA, but I had already mentioned them to the nominator before, so I decided to add them here as additional comments too. – Editør (talk) 01:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

I've just added the image alt texts, table captions, and table column/row headers with scopes to the article myself. – Editør (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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Lede

Hey @Divergence5, @CipherSleuth, and @Verylongandmemorable, I agree that the lede needs a major overhaul for easier reading. Let's discuss proposed changes here. Personally, I think we should mention his world records first, then the Ingebrigtsen family and junior accomplishments second, then move into Olympic/World/European titles last. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 15:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Rough Sample:

Jakob Ingebrigtsen (born 19 September 2000) is a Norwegian middle and long distance runner who is the current world record holder in the short track 1500 metres, short track mile, 2000 metres, and 3000 metres, and also holds the world best time over the two mile distance. Notable for his versatility at different distances, he is one of three men (along with Daniel Komen and Mohamed Katir) to run a sub-3:30 1500 m, sub-7:30 3000 m and a sub-12:50 5000 m, one of two men (along with Hicham El Guerrouj) to have broken 3:27 in the 1500 m and 3:44 in the mile, and one of two men (along with Komen) to have broken eight minutes in the two mile.

A member of the Ingebrigtsen family, Jakob's older brothers Henrik and Filip are also middle-distance runners who compete internationally. They were trained by their father, Gjert, until 2022. Ingebrigtsen had a successful junior career: at age 16, he became the youngest man in history to run a sub-four minute mile. In junior competition, he won four consecutive European Cross Country Championships, a gold medal in 5000 m at the 2017 European U20 Championships, and set a European U20 record in the 3000 metres steeplechase.

As a senior athlete, Ingebrigtsen became a two-time Olympic champion, having won the 1500 metres in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and the 5000 metres at the 2024 Paris Olympics. He is also a two-time World Champion in the 5000 metres (2022 and 2023), a six-time European Champion, and a seven-time European Indoor Champion, having won the most European gold medals of any male athlete. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 15:13, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, personally I feel the current opening paragraph is very dense and hard to parse for someone coming to the page for the first time. I would support consolidating Ingebrigtsen's most important accomplishments into a tighter first paragraph, then continuing with your suggested chronological flow of family -> junior career -> senior career.

I think your proposed draft is an improvement, but I'm not sure about this sentence in the opening paragraph:

Notable for his versatility at different distances, he is one of three men (along with Daniel Komen and Mohamed Katir) to run a sub-3:30 1500 m, sub-7:30 3000 m and a sub-12:50 5000 m, one of two men (along with Hicham El Guerrouj) to have broken 3:27 in the 1500 m and 3:44 in the mile, and one of two men (along with Komen) to have broken eight minutes in the two mile.

This is very useful statistical context for Jakob's versatility, but the specific time thresholds are difficult to understand unless the leader has a lot of context about track and athletics, so could be moved down to the paragraph about his senior career. Instead, maybe include the Olympic titles in the first paragraph? I think Olympic gold medals would be the most recognizable achievement for most readers, and fits with the lede of other significant articles like Usain Bolt, Mo Farah, and Hicham El Guerrouj, where the opening paragraphs focus on world records and Olympic medals. Verylongandmemorable (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @KnowledgeIsPower9281. I appreciate you brining this up in in the talk page. Here are my two cents. I would reference the Olympic medals and Wold Championships medals first in the lead. I agree with User:Verylongandmemorable that those accomplishments are covered more extensively in secondary sources and deserve more weight at the beginning.

When referencing the world records, the text doesn't need to say "current" record holder. That is implied and Wikipedia recommends against using that word. See MOS:CURRENT. I would also advise against saying that Ingebrigtsen is only one of three men to go sub 3:30,7:30, and 12:50, unless you can find a reference that says that (it doesn't seem to be verifiable, short of doing a manual search on World Athletics). I also suspect that statement may not be true for much longer with the times currently being run (the 12:50 cutoff also seems pretty arbitrary).

Finally, I would have a sentence or two about his awards and nominations in the final paragraph. I believe he's been nominated several times for World Athlete of the year. CipherSleuth (talk) 18:03, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Ideas for improvement

I have a couple ideas for improving the article, referring to this version: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jakob_Ingebrigtsen&oldid=1281176457:

The article might benefit from an "Early life and background" that includes information about where and when he was born and his family background. It could include info about when he started training at a young age. Assuming there are references to flesh this out, which I assume there are.

I think a couple of the early headings for his career could be consolidated in a major section header on junior competition with more clearly defined paragraphs that flow together with the major highlights. As it stands right now, there's a subsection for 2018, 2019, 2020, which are all kind of short and choppy.

Within a major section header on senior competition, many of the text within the subheadings could be made more concise, especially for 2024. That subsection contains trivial details and is too long.

I would remove the section on Music Career. Making one YouTube video hardly constitutes a career. The info about that song could be concisely integrated when discussing his victory in the Olympic 5000m, after which the stadium played the song.