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Mexico recognizes the state of Palestine (referring to both the talk page as well as the Mexico–Palestine relations page) Marissa TRS (talk) 22:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed – the ratification took place more than a month ago:

Ledesma, Araceli (2025-02-05). "Sheinbaum ratifica que México reconoce a Palestina e Israel como Estados y pide una salida pacífica del conflicto". CNN (in Spanish). Retrieved 2025-03-20.

Onceinawhile (talk) 23:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you make the pertinent edits? Change the number of countries that recognize it, change the map, change Mexico’s position in the main text? 2804:214:8191:9EF2:F944:38FB:8B39:ACB5 (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done (Not by me though). Lova Falk (talk) 16:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 1 April 2025

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Description of suggested change: Please update the Syria section. Palestine was recognized by the Assad regime in 2011.

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184.144.90.165 (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done not by me though. Lova Falk (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Somebody corrected the "Further details" section under "Mexico", but left a mistake, as Lopez Obrador did not "say in May 2024 that Mexico had not officially recognized it yet" - he said that he would soon announce whether or not Mexico already recognized Palestine ("México dará a conocer si reconoce o no a Palestina"), which is different.

So please change it from:

"While Mexico was listed as having recognized Palestine on 2 June 2023 in documents circulated by the United Nations,[102] then Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador clarified in May 2024 that Mexico had not officially recognized it yet.[202]"

to simply:

"Mexico is listed as having recognized Palestine on 2 June 2023 in documents circulated by the United Nations.[102]"

Boatiocs (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Boatiocs. First I made the edit as you requested, but then it seemed strange that the date of recognition in the table is 5 February 2025. And if Mexico had recognized Palestine on 2 June 2023, why would Obrador in May 2024 say that he would soon announce whether or not Mexico already recognized Palestine? So I added the sentence back in, but with the correct translation. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 10:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So a user named Shorepine is the one responsible for adding the section in last May. What if we just ask him? Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, (User talk:Lova Falk) and Underdwarf58; honestly, the truth is that the whole process until recognition was announced is not relevant to a general article listing all 200 countries, right? So I believe that the first two sentences can be eliminated, and that the Mexico section should simply be "On 5 February 2025, President Claudia Sheinbaum affirmed that "Mexico recognizes both Israel and Palestine as states".[197][200]". Also, the first sentence in the article needs to be updated as it is now over 76% of member states. Boatiocs (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. I believe that the first two sentences need to stay because just saying only "Mexico is listed bla bla bla." feels incomplete. The AMLO part needs to be addressed imo. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is why I am suggesting eliminating also the "Mexico is listed bla bla bla" part as well and just saying what is relevant to the present article - that "On 5 February 2025, President Claudia Sheinbaum affirmed that "Mexico recognizes both Israel and Palestine as states"." All the previous comings-and-goings of each country previous to recognition don't need to be in the table that includes the positions of nearly 200 countries. Boatiocs (talk) 15:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea Boatiocs!

Done Lova Falk (talk) 09:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bad idea. It made the Further details part useless now. Underdwarf58 (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Listing the date of recognition as 5 February 2025 without any context is misleading. The cited sources do not state that Mexico recognized Palestine on this date, but rather that Sheinbaum made a statement on this date that Mexico had recognized Palestine.

The UN document gives a specific date of recognition, so that should be listed. We should summarize different sources & views, and present them to the reader.

I will restore a summarized version of the note, but as a footnote on the date rather than in the further details column, where it better belongs. TDL (talk) 17:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

Remove the "see also: international recognition of Israel". These 2 places aren't Siamese twins, they can be talked about separately Fyukfy5 (talk) 11:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with this proposed removal. After having read about the International recognition of Palestine, our readers may want to read about the International recognition of Israel, and vice versa. So that is why both these articles have a See also link to each other. Lova Falk (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Lova Falk's comment on this. IJA (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. They are Siamese twins and apparently, they can't be talked about separately because there are so many interdependencies in this context. Also, the inclusion is consistent with MOS:SEEALSO. Given that this is an encyclopedia, providing a link to the article that describes the matching feature of the other conjoined twin seems informative. Its absence would be uninformative. Sean.hoyland (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Closed Lova Falk (talk) 13:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuania

Please add on No diplomatic recognition, Lithuania's Official position In April 2025, Kestutis Budrys said "Lithuania is monitoring what is being proposed by France and could also recognize a Palestinian state, but only "at the right time" 39.40.69.163 (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also here's the source [1] 39.40.69.163 (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly forget about Lithuania. It’s really France and/or the United Kingdom that really matters. If France and/or the United Kingdom recognizes the State of Palestine then it will create a huge geopolitical earthquake. That’s when the real fun and revolution begins. YDMC188 (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum. IJA (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]