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Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

– If there is even a Primary topic, it isn't this article. 2400 page views vs. 5400, 200. Marcus Qwertyus 06:16, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

This is a publicity piece by one of Newman's cult members

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There is no legitimate dispute about who and what Newman was, and the facts are grossly misportrayed in the article. A few examples:

--Newman was thrown out of the APA because of unethical conduct, in particular a pattern of having sexual relationships with "patients."

--The final paragraph says that Newman is survived by two women in an unconventional family. In reality, for the last 25 years of his life Newman lived with between three and five women at a time, occasionally replacing one with another. It seems in the endless competition for favor among them, two of those women have sought to delete the others while presenting Newman the situation as something other than what it obviously was, which is a cult leader with a harem.

--It is well-documented and well-established that while Newman et al. operated through innumerable different groups and organizations over time, appearing in different parts of the spectrum as the winds shifted, in reality there was a core group of individuals who ran each and every one with a consistent agenda. The organizations were either consciously designed as "fronts," (e.g., the New Alliance Party), or the group would try to co-opt organizations such as the Independence party that had some degree of existing mainstream acceptance. While the party line changed from day to day (what can be said about a group that aligns itself with Louis Farrakhan in the late 1980s and with Ross Perot in the 90s?) the underlying goal was consistent: to reorganize society around "group therapy" sessions run by Fred Newman.

--The inner core group was serviced by a middle-ring of devoted cult members who were used as, essentially, slaves, devoting their lives to menial tasks for the comfort for Newman and others without compensation or reward.

I could go on and one forever -- Newman's misconduct was the subject of a television documentary, several government investigations, numerous publications by former group members, and so forth.

This article was supposedly peer reviewed, but there's no record of any peer review in the wiki.

What's going on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.138.1.245 (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of the purported peer review of this wiki article: Looking at the archive and the edits to this talkpage, it appears that someone attempted to request a peer review back in 2006: [1], but it does not seem to have ever occurred as there is no evidence of it. Possibly the wrong template form was used in the request attempt. Apparently over the years bots converted that template at the top to an attempted redirect to the archive, but there's no peer review in the archive. Anyway, I will remove that misleading announcement at the top of this page. Stophorus (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Removed COI infobox after restructuring article

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I restructured this article to include more criticism of Newman in a more coherent manner. In general, each section now has one "pro-Newman" and one "Newman-critical" voice. I think this has reduced the COI / NPOV concerns (which are from 2011) sufficiently to remove the infobox. SocDoneLeft (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Further information: Wikipedia: External links
Some things just grow during incremental edits and sometimes get out of hand. The "External links" section, one of the optional appendices, was expanded to 13 entries, organized into three subsections. Three seems to be an acceptable number, and of course, everyone has their favorite to try to add for a fourth. Consensus needs to determine this. A tag indicates concerns.
However, none is needed for article promotion.
Some links may be included in WP:ELNO, or What Wikipedia is not (policy) such as WP:NOTREPOSITORY or WP:NOTGUIDE.
  • WP:ELDEAD may apply.
  • In some cases ELCITE applies: Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section. Others, listed below:
  • ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
  • LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
  • ELMIN: Minimize the number of links.
The External links guideline This page in a nutshell: External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article. With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article.
Second paragraph, acceptable external links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.
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  • WP:ELBURDEN: Disputed links should be excluded by default unless and until there is a consensus to include them. Please do not add back more links without consensus. Simple solution to facilitate career maintenance tag. Move links here for discussion.
Moved links:
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Newman's critics

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Response to critics

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