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5th Annual Gold Derby Music Awards

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Hi! I invite to add the 5th Annual Gold Derby Music Award, where Die with a Smile received five nominations. I’m not adding it myself because my English isn’t the best, but I’d like to provide the citation for consideration: Record of the Year, Song of the Year, Best Collaboration, Best Pop Song, Best Music Video. Ref: [1]https://www.goldderby.com/feature/2025-gold-derby-music-awards-nominations-list-charli-xcx-1206004907/ CHr0m4tiko0 (talk) 20:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done these awards are forum based. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cover version

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"On September 24, 2024, shortly after the song’s global release, Filipino singer Julie Anne San José shared a version of the song on her social media accounts, where she showcased her skills by singing while playing guitar, piano, and drums. Damiano David, lead vocalist of the Italian rock band Måneskin, performed an acoustic version during a SiriusXM Hits 1 session in their New York studio, accompanied by background singers and a live band. The magazine NME described this rendition as ‘minimalist, intimate, and emotional.’ On October 18, 2024, British singer Perrie Edwards, known for being part of the musical group Little Mix, presented her cover of Die with a Smile on BBC Radio 1’s Live Lounge, which was later published on the station's YouTube channel."

CHr0m4tiko0 (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead single or not?

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Since there is currently an edit war going on, I wanted to bring it to the talk page. When "Die with a Smile" was released in August, representatives for Lady Gaga confirmed that it was a standalone single.[1] In September, she posted that the first single from her upcoming eighth album would be released in October, referring to "Disease".[2] However, Lady Gaga has just confirmed that "Die with a Smile" will be on her upcoming album.[3] Some editors are using this as justification to call "Die with a Smile" the album's lead single and "Disease" its second. I believe that "Disease" should still be treated as the lead single since it was promoted exclusively that way. It should definitely be stated in the article that "Die with a Smile" is included on the album, but it should not be called a lead single. Flabshoe1 (talk) 04:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC) Flabshoe1 (talk) 04:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Die with a Smile is a bonus track. It's not a single from the album. It's not Gaga's song either, it's Bruno's song. GogoLion (talk) 07:04, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The song will be included in Gaga's album, not as the lead single. Its a bonus track. Its both's Gaga and Mars's song, they share credits on it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:04, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the evidence it is a bonus track? 98.18.147.11 (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Aswad, Jem (August 15, 2024). "Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars to Drop New Song, "Die With a Smile", Tonight". Variety. Archived from the original on August 15, 2024. Retrieved August 15, 2024.
  2. ^ Aswad, Jem (September 3, 2024). "Lady Gaga to Drop First Single From New Album in October". Variety. Archived from the original on September 3, 2024. Retrieved September 10, 2024.
  3. ^ "Lady Gaga on Coachella, LG7 and the 'slightly subversive' 'Die With a Smile'". Los Angeles Times. 2024-12-19. Retrieved 2024-12-19.
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---Another Believer (Talk) 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a single from the album, but later added to one

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Per Template:Infobox_song#album: If the song was originally released as a single well in advance of the album, |album= should not be used, since it is not from the album, but later added to one. Thedayandthetime (talk) 21:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The info box notes 16 months as its example of “well in advance.” Becks bolero and Back on the chain gang both adhere to the example. 6 months and 20 days is not “well in advance”, and is almost 1/3 of the time given in the example. Don’t need to report it as the first LG7 single (or should I say LG8 lol), but this is a weak justification (not to mention the song was released by interscope.) Not really expecting any changes, you guys seem very set! Just would be nice, and accurate. 2603:8001:6A00:B462:3D0C:A00E:5382:BB84 (talk) 06:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was not added to the album, the album was announced with it included on every edition. Mayhem was never promoted without Die With A Smile, therefore we cannot say it was added to the album. Gaga's word does not count when we refuse to call the album her seventh when she does - why does her calling Disease the lead hold more weight than that? 98.18.147.11 (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Katy Perry's Smile article. She promoted singles that were released in the same window as the other singles from the album and still did not make the track list. Also, check "Never Really Over", a track originally marketed as standalone single and later announced to be on the album. Its infobox does not use "album" either for the same reason the article for "Die with a Smile" musn't. Thedayandthetime (talk) 17:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This refers to Camila Cabello and Shawn Mendes's collaborative single "Señorita". It is just included single, not a lead single of Cabello's second studio album Romance. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 05:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There’s literally not a single version of the album where Die With A Smile is not included. You guys seem to hate Gaga and it shows 2A02:14F:F:D069:4871:5DA1:9851:194F (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The track was originally released a standalone single. Again: according to Template:Infobox song#album, "If the song was originally released as a [standalone] single [...] in advance of the album, |album= should not be used, since it is not from the album, but later added to one [...] [For the |album= parameter to be used], the song [had to be] originally released as a single during the marketing and promotion of an album." It is clear that "later added to one" refers to the song being released in promotion of the album, which was clearly not. Thedayandthetime (talk) 14:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
MAYHEM Producer Andrew Watt shares that “Die With A Smile” was always intended for Lady Gaga’s album. Source: https://x.com/grxndesenigma/status/1893693529660031433?s=46 79.177.144.103 (talk) 16:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still not released in promotion of the album. Thedayandthetime (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That statement is not “clear” it is up for interpretation, and you will always interpret it unfavorably to Gaga. The example is referring to a much longer timeframe, and you reduce it to a promotion cycle to fit your argument. You do not get to decide when the LG7 promotion cycle started, and at this point Gaga, Her team, Label, and now Producers are all saying it was meant for the album. You’re on a power trip, stop making it so obvious. 2603:8001:6A00:B462:79EC:4255:BCB5:F503 (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also If you want to declare "Die with a Smile" is a lead single, then please attach reliable sources of it. In Wikipedia, we don't regard primary sources as well. See WP:PSTS. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 11:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gaga herself and her team stated it was not released in promotion of the album at the time of its release. Thedayandthetime (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Thedayandthetime. As I said, it is just a same case as Shawn Mendes and Camila Cabello's successful collaborative single "Señorita". This single wasn't promoted as lead single of Cabello's second studio album Romance. Thus, "Die with a Smile" is not a lead single from the album Mayhem, because it wasn't promoted as lead single. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 11:25, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mayhem should not be included in the infobox, because "Die with a Smile" was not initially released a single in promotion of the album. It was originally promoted as a standalone single, while "Disease" was promoted as and confirmed to be the official lead single for Mayhem.
Same situation as "Never Really Over" from Smile, "Radar" from Circus, and "Miracle" from 96 Months. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 09:45, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If a consensus is formed to include Mayhem in the infobox, then "Die with a Smile" NEEDS to be included in the Singles section of Mayhem's infobox for consistency. It does not make sense to exclude "Die with a Smile" from the album's infobox, while Mayhem is included in the single's infobox. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 10:05, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Same situation as "Shakira: Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 53" from Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran. I think it's clear that some non-album singles can be released as standalone singles and later be added to an album, which does not make those singles singles in promotion of the album. Thedayandthetime (talk) 23:35, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay but those songs were released well in advance before mentioned albums were out - more than a year before. Expect for "Radar" but it has infobox with Circus."Die with a Smile" came out only 7 months before "Mayhem", which is still a usual frame for singles from album to be released. 188.33.24.39 (talk) 10:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think a consensus simply needs to be formed to decide whether "Die with a Smile" should be considered a single for Mayhem. If yes, then the article for Mayhem needs to be edited to refer to "Disease" as the second single (the prose currently refers to it as lead single). TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gaga herself said "Disease" is first single of the album in the ASMR video of W Magazine. So stop. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 15:37, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[2] watch from 12:36. She said "I choose "Disease" as first single" Camilasdandelions (talk!) 15:42, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just make sure that both articles are consistent with each other, because they currently aren't. The "DWAS" article currently implies that it was a single for Mayhem (which would result in it being lead single), but the Mayhem article does not list "DWAS" as a single. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 19:08, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Including Mayhem in {{Infobox song}} is inappropriate; the song may be included on the album, but it definitely was not released as a single from the album — there is a difference. Per the press release by Universal Music Canada, it states: True artists dedicated to their craft, the musical titans came together to create this standalone collaboration as a treat for their fans. Its intention was to be a standalone single, and was promoted as such. Therefore, it is a standalone single, which just happens to be later included on the album. It was not an intended single from the album. livelikemusic (TALK!) 14:31, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In this article by Mastercard from February 3, 2025 [3] it is stated that Abracadabra is a third single from the album which indicates that Die with a Smile was a single from album:
Mastercard and Gaga kicked off the campaign by premiering the video for “Abracadabra,” the third single from the album, MAYHEM..
That's the most recent official statement for album's singles numbering. 188.33.234.74 (talk) 17:50, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't change the fact that "Die with a Smile" was not a single released in promotion of the album. Thedayandthetime (talk) 18:12, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is Mastercard reliable source? No sources are reliable then Gaga herself. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 22:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There were a collaboration between Lady Gaga and Mastercard during "Abracadabra" promotion so I would name them a reliable source for this. This article is from the press release. If we keep "Mayhem" out of "Die with a Smile" infobox then mentioned before Señorita should not have Romance as an album in infobox as well, because it wasn't released during album's promotion. 188.33.240.213 (talk) 09:26, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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