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Requested move 28 April 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 13:24, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria – As far as I can see, all sources are still using AANES. I'm not sure where this 'Democratic' in the name has came from, and if it is a change that has indeed happened it certainly is not the WP:COMMONNAME. Ecpiandy (talk) 23:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: if you read the section on the polity's name and translations you would know where the "Democratic" came from. Sisuvia (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per above, it's the common name used to refer to the polity, in press and otherwise. Des Vallee (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per WP:NAMECHANGES, scholarly sources have been using the new name routinely, with 26 results on Google Scholar since the change in December 2023. I think this should be revisited in a while when a more long-term use of names can be established. This is the fourth move request of the year, after two sequential move requests have already failed to establish consensus for a move from the new name. As this is the new name as established in the 2023 constitution, I think we should continue to use this unless a clear consensus can be established for long-term usage of one variant or another. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The proposed title is clearer, more neutral, and better reflects general usage. The current name leans toward a specific political narrative. Zemen  (talk) 18:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:MODERNPLACENAME and WP:COMMONNAME – Please not another round of this, let's call the entity what it calls itself. AntonSamuel (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose proposed name. I don't think this is the best proposed title. We can either go with the self-given, official name, or we can go with the common name. The self-given official name is Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, which is admittedly a mouthful and almost certainly fails WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME, but does at least past WP:AUTONYM (if that applies here). The only common name is Rojava. I would recommend anyone who'd like to see the name shortened speedily close this and propose Rojava instead per COMMONNAME and CONCISE, as that's the only alternative that makes sense in my opinion. Yes, I understand the reasons why some editors would object to Rojava and would prefer the official name - I'd like to see those disagreements hashed out in a focused discussion. And I sympathize with the editors who are exhausted from all the discussions above; it's a shame that there have already been four move discussions this year, and all of them (except the move to the current title) were dead on arrival as their proposed titles were neither the official name nor the common name. But if we're going to have a discussion about the merits of a proposed title, that is the one we should be discussing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Just want to put here basically no Kurdish, or English press or source uses "Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, including by official press of the government such as Hawar News 1 and 2. Des Vallee (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

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Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch peer review

I've listed this article for peer review because I want to bring this article to FAC in the near future.

Thanks, 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 17:51, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grnrchst

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@LunaEclipse: Hey there! Good to see you're looking to improve this. I'll give some more detailed notes soon, but for now a couple things immediately stick out:

  • The "History" section gives an absurd amount of over-contextualisation. Half of it is recounting history before the polity was even established; much of this is also based on sources that were written years or even decades before the polity was established, so its relevance to the DAANES is entirely unclear. I'd recommend a drastic trimming of this and rewriting it based on books that are actually about the DAANES, which will give us a clearer picture of what early history is clearly relevant to the subject.
    • I agree; I do think we could remove a lot of info from that section, but I think some (limited) background on the Assad regime's Arabification and persecution of the Kurds and their culture in conjunction with the PKK and its insurgency might give the reader understanding on why this area exists. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 12:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of this article is based on news reports, rather than scholarly journal articles or books (despite an abundance of such sources on the subject). Some amount of reliance on news reports is inevitable due to the ongoing nature of this subject, but they should only be used when there is no better alternative. We should not still be citing news reports from a decade ago, there is absolutely a better alternative to be found for these.
  • The lead section is far too small for such a lengthy article and does not adequately summarise the scope of the article, instead providing a grab-bag of snapshots about the subject. It needs rewriting and expanding.

I'll have a more thorough read of the article soon and get back to you with more comments. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 July 2025

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Minor grammar correction in the last sentence of the third paragraph in the Economy section.

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The highest amount of energy is produced by the Tabqa Dam at the Euphrates river, Syrians largest.
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The highest amount of energy is produced by the Tabqa Dam on the Euphrates river, Syria's largest.

Winkelnp (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Yue🌙 19:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

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Why can the Syrian flag, which the DAANES adopted not be added? JaxsonR (talk) 00:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The user who reverted you appeared to be referencing this discussion last December in their edit summary, which in turn was started because of edits such as this one. I tend to agree with the editors then that it makes little sense to add the national flag to this polity within it. Yeoutie (talk) 03:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is that a good point? french overseas territories with no real flag use the french flag in the infobox, why cant we do the same here? JaxsonR (talk) 03:21, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not french but an example is Akrotiri and Dhekelia JaxsonR (talk) 03:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if one were to not disregard WP:OTHERSTUFF, your argument hinges on articles of overseas territories of European countries having flags of their mother country, but the DAANES is not an overseas territory ... Yue🌙 07:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its still within the country like Overseas territories JaxsonR (talk) 14:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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