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On 12 June 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to Literary punk genres. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Why do most of the purported subgenres of Cyberpunk in this article take the suffix /-punk/?

It seems like more of an article about creative uses of morphology for /-punk/, like a list of words ending in /-aholic/ meaning "addicted to": Chocaholic, Workaholic, Gymaholic, Cloudpunk, Mistpunk, Fartpunk.

What is the meaning of "derivatives" in the article title? It is a somewhat pejorative term. If subgenres are being referred to, why not title the article "Cyberpunk subgenres" rather than "Cyberpunk derivatives"?203.206.84.45 (talk) 19:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberpunk derivatives here means, roughly, genres which include the word "punk" in their name (or in one case, "cyber"), and share some of the sensibilities of cyberpunk (or in some cases are a reaction to cyberpunk). It isn't a perfect title, but "Cyberpunk subgenres" wouldn't work because some of the genres, notably steampunk and solarpunk, aren't subgenres of cyberpunk. Dan Bloch (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's it going to take before this page can acknowledge the existence of dreampunk?

I first learned of dreampunk through the works of Yelena Calavera and Jeb R. Sherrill back in 2016 when this page included a section on the genre. Ever since then, it's been getting removed and added back every once in a while with the reason for removal being that there's not a good enough (non-blog) source describing the genre. What about all the books marketed as dreampunk? A couple of short story collections even use the word "dreampunk" in their title:

Somniscope: A Dreampunk Convergence (2024)

Mirrormaze: A Dreampunk Anthology (2020)

A look at the story listings for those books yields 30+ authors working in the field. Others who come to mind are Elias Pell, Antonia Rachel Ward, Martin Matthews, Crispian Thurlborn, and Steve Aylett, all explicitly acknowledging the genre in marketing and interviews. Cliff Jones, M.A. (Linguistics) (talk) 05:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you said in your post, it will take a Wikipedia:Reliable source. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberpunk derivatives → Literary punk genres – We have moved beyond cyberpunk derivatives at this point. Akin to doomclones now being called first-person shooters, we should move this article to a more figurative and inclusive name. Blockhaj (talk) 01:46, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't see evidence for the premise that we've moved beyond cyperpunk derivatives. The Google Ngram Viewer shows a lot of mindshare for cyberpunk and steampunk and almost none for any of the other genres. Furthermore a page called literary punk genres would presumably include punk literature, which has no connection with cyberpunk, and splatterpunk, which is also unrelated to cyberpunk. Dan Bloch (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://litreactor.com/columns/punkpunk-a-compendium-of-literary-punk-genres

https://sorcereroftea.com/punkpunk-a-to-z-of-punk-genres/

https://bkbass.com/essays-articles-and-musings/genre-studies/everything-punk/

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk

https://nicholasrossis.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/punk-subgenres/ Blockhaj (talk) 19:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Punk literature would have to be covered by template:confused. I also see that some have coined the term punkpunk but it doesnt seam too established. Blockhaj (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as above. I don't think this page is great, but that wouldn't help. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 05:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.