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Section size for Conversion therapy (27 sections)
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Terminology	2,325	2,325
History	52	6,605
Sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE)	2,676	2,676
Gender identity change efforts (GICE)	3,877	3,877
Motivations	639	639
Theories and techniques	652	29,118
Aversion therapy	3,631	3,631
Brain surgery	2,293	2,293
Castration and transplantation	2,499	2,499
Ex-gay/ex-trans ministries	2,969	2,969
Hypnosis	1,011	1,011
Psychoanalysis	1,734	1,734
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See also	166	166
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Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2024

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Change the source for “Curbin [sic] Deception” to the link here. The link it currently cites (here) is incorrect. Also, replace “Curbin” with “Curbing”. It’s misspelled. Also link the article ILGA#Curbing Deception to the title. Mjsayshey (talk) 23:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Mjsayshey (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme bias

Unproductive and possibly just trolling

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All I tried to do was to change the article's extreme bias. It says there no working solutions anywhere, when this isn't the case. KirillMarasin (talk) 19:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure where "extreme bias" comes into this, apart from in the content that you are trying to add. These are extreme POV claims that Conversion Therapy "works". I am more than 100% sure that this is all complete and utter nonsense but if you, or anybody else, really believe that there are Reliable Sources that actually support these claims then please feel free to discuss them here. These are extraordinary claims and hence will require extremely good sourcing, not anecdotes. Basically they would have to meet WP:MEDRS.

Also, please do not use words like "solutions" in that way. That's absolutely not acceptable language to use on a Talk page. These are not "solutions". Even if Conversion Therapy "worked", which it doesn't, it would not be a "solution" because LGBTQ people are not a problem to be "solved". DanielRigal (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I've been homosexual since 2007 and been looking for a cure since then (successfully, may I say, but you may not believe me for all I care). I guess I'm in the minority. Do I have no right to change unwanted sexual orientation? KirillMarasin (talk) 10:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If its "extreme bias" is relying on what reliable sources for medical information say, then that "bias" will have to stay. Your sources for some of the cures were that someone-said-something-in-a-chat-forum, and that falls far below the reliable we'd expect for much of anything, much less for medical information. The claims that you were making about Deep Brain Stimulation were referenced to this abstract, which was for this journal article where the closest it comes to claiming an effectiveness for conversion is talking about a single patient, and it says "while Heath claimed that the patient had a full recovery and engaged exclusively in heterosexual activities, other sources argued that the patient continued to have homosexual relationships." So no, that source doesn't back up your claim of effectiveness, even in a single patient. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"engaged exclusively in heterosexual activities" And why would this be a desirable outcome?Dimadick (talk) 03:23, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2025

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Under the Castration and Transplantation section, the line "In early twentieth century Germany experiments were carried out" has a spelling error. I recommend changing it to "In the early twentieth century, German experiments were carried out". GloatyUK (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dunkin DonEdit completed (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 13:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Getting ready to leave the house, but I'll carry it out at Dunkin Donut's Wifi hotspot. Thanks (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 13:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was no error, but your edit introduced one.

- Original: "In early twentieth century Germany experiments were carried out...": no error. GloatyUK might not be parsing the sentence correctly: "early twentieth century Germany" is the place where experiments were carried out.

- Requested: "In the early twentieth century, German experiments were carried out...": grammatically correct, but changes the meaning of the sentence slightly (the experiments were German vs the experiments took place in Germany).

- Current: "In the early twentieth century Germany experiments were carried out...": grammatically incorrect.

Therefore, I am just reverting it to the original and adding a comma to make the sentence scan more easily. Nukeychess (talk) 19:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I should have seen that. (3OpenEyes' communication receptacle) | (PS: Have a good day) (acer was here) 13:29, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sentence in lead

Historically, conversion therapy was the treatment of choice for individuals who disclosed same-sex attractions or exhibited gender nonconformity, which were formerly assumed to be pathologies by the medical establishment – shouldn't this be more specific? Conversion therapy certainly wasn't ubiquitous in all cultures. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Finland has voted to ban conversion therapy

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Finland has voted to ban and criminalize conversion therapy and the map needs to be updated

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_banning_conversion_therapy.svg

Sources (articles in Finnish):

[1] https://yle.fi/a/74-20152467

[2] https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/tiedotteet/Sivut/Eduskunta-hyvaksyi-kansalaisaloitteen-eheytyshoitojen-kieltamiseksi.aspx KLXX (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Conversion therapy. Please make your request at the talk page for the image concerned: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Countries_banning_conversion_therapy.svg. meamemg (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]