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Originally written in Ge'ez?

There is no possible way that the original Book of Enoch was written in Ge'ez. Translated into Ge'ez in the first millennium CE, yes. Africologist (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does the article currently say that it was originally written in Geez?—Ermenrich (talk) 21:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does. It is absurd. Str1977 ^(talk) 10:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've repaired it. 10:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That was very obviously vandalism (someone just replaced all instances of Aramaic with Ge'ez).--Ermenrich (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why is there no possible way and there is no evidence it was copied from Greek whatsover 149.90.75.126 (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Book of Enoch quotes Jude

Here's a link on the subject: Click here

The article should clarify that the pseudepicraphical Book of Enoch is an extended retelling of the brief account of Enoch from the Book of Genesis, and is based on a quote from James the Just's brother Jude the Apostle. The quote appears, foundationally to the Book of Enoch, in its opening chapter {1:9).

Jude's phrase about Enoch being the "seventh from Adam" is referenced in a later emendation to the Book of Enoch, that was not found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. This emendation, known as the Book of Parables, likewise contains other New Testament borrowings. 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:1C38:461:747C:51E5 (talk) 23:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The provided link is a personal blog, and as per WP:BLOGS it cannot be considered a reliable source, and therefore it cannot be used in Wikipedia. Sorry, these are the rules. A ntv (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, @A ntv: I wouldn’t be so quick in dismissing that blog. After all, the author is apparently Jude himself (“by Jude and the Book of Enoch”) so he ought to know, right?—Ermenrich (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a continuation of the IP's attempt to get their original research added to Wikipedia, after they have been told NO multiple times. Making your own website doesn't somehow make it not OR. Get it published in a peer-reviewed journal or as a book: we don't source from blogs or personal websites. Skyerise (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10 weeks prophecy

if someone wants to update that- 1 enoch, 2 noah, 3 abraham or melchizadek, 4 moses law tabernacle ark, 5 solomons temple, 6 temple destroyed 587 bc, 7 ???possibly to do with ezekiel 9 like in the animal apocalypse , 8 esther and rebuilding the second temple, 9 jesus, 10 rev 20 in the future. i added more references for maccabees and ezekiel too SamfromAus123 (talk) 04:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC) Added the source for the sword in Maccabees, and the 7 men one with writing instrument in Ezekiel. Don't delete it your you will be banned from wiki for vandalizing.[reply]

@SamfromAus123, the article should summarize what reliable sources say about the Book of Enoch, not be an excessive quoting of what the Book of Enoch says. Schazjmd (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gadreel/Gadriel

In the "Names of the fallen angels" section, the name "Gadriel" links to Gadreel. But this just links back to the same section, leading it to loop into itself. It's also stated to be another name for Azazel, which is not cited and I can't find repeated anywhere else. In the versions of the Book of Enoch I can find (mainly, these two: 1 and 2) the only reference to Gadreel, or any variant of the name, only states that he was the one to have tempted Eve. I don't think it was said to have been another name for Azazel, as far as I'm aware.

Also, wouldn't it be best to add a link to the Fall of man, Original sin, or Serpents in the Bible pages for the paragraph that explains Gadreel? Since the Book of Enoch is directly claiming that Gadreel is the Serpent of Genesis. DerUbermonke (talk) 02:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BC vs BCE

This is an article about a Jewish book. The Jewish community does not believe that the Messiah has come. To use "Before Christ" for dating in the article is inane and runs counter to standard practice in writing texts on history. RobertThePilgram (talk) 18:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter: per WP:DATEVAR, the date style should not be changed without a prior consensus being established for the change on the talk page. Skyerise (talk) 13:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support changing to BCE on the grounds offered by Robert. Furius (talk) 09:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also support BCE/CE for those reasons.—-Ermenrich (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mistranslation

@Torah musa: you appear to be adding WP:OR to the page. Your source for the Ethiopian text being a mistranslation appears to be the Book of Enoch itself. Can you show any WP:RS that take this position, or show that it is the generally held position rather than that of an individual scholar?--Ermenrich (talk) 01:04, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]