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While there were many excellent points made regarding how beauty is observed in different cultures and the general impact it has in society, I believe there could be information added on how the term "beauty" and its expectations has changed throughout the years and how these changes have impacted society's view on beauty. Jdo pharmd (talk) 05:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second this statement, as I'm of the same opinion too. Valentina.valen (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any correlation between beauty and cleanliness/tidiness?

It seems self-evident to me that things perceived as beautiful are also recognised as clean/tidy? Is there any study of evolutionary function of beauty as emotionally/instinctively recognising hygiene without requiring a complex understanding of hygiene? Clean rooms mean a more relaxed/safe environment, less things to keep track of, less mental noise, thus a lower mental load? A clean appearance might communicate something similar? It is well known that if a person appears "unhygienic" (looks or smells) there is an instinct of prejudice? That the visual noise means there is more ambiguous information about a person to interpret and therefore a less safe/clean impression of them? Maybe genetically "ideal beauty" also is a way of information compression for assessing "how healthy a person is", meaning "cleanliness as in less noise of illness/biological risk"? But in reality safety is not "perfectible" but rather a range of what is good enough? Hence beauty standards are delusional excesses based on the fallacy of interpreting any slight noise as a risk? Whereas in reality whether something is a risk is much more complex than that. Ybllaw (talk) 13:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beauty is associated with countless phenomena, and I presume that cleanliness would be one of them. Beauty is a vast field and the article should only mention the most important views in this field. I'm not aware of academic discussions that give particular prominence to this aspect. Phlsph7 (talk) 16:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I'll add some thoughts here though I consider relevant. There do seem to be some studies^[1], but not very well-connected summaries of their findings, as in the dots between these studies and what is relevant here still has to be figured out lots of the times.

For most men, being well-groomed means being more attractive to possible partners.

— Body grooming#Reasons for body grooming

In most cultures, cleanliness is considered a good quality [...] and may be regarded as contributing to other ideals such as [...] beauty.

— Cleanliness

Purposes of cleaning agents include [...] beauty

— Cleaning agent

From this page: Beauty is commonly described as a feature of objects that makes them pleasurable to perceive

I'd disagree with this, beauty to me isn't solely about the objects, or perhaps not even fundamentally about the objects. Often things known what the narrative is behind it are beautiful, the emotions and memories are beautiful.

For feeling emotion and memory there needs to be safety.

Coping beauty ("gold car", "flawless-looking person (mostly women)", "drug-intoxicated beauty", and "sacrificial/minimalist ideological beauty") do not create the criteria for safety in many people because the way those are phrased often implicitly means "superior luxury/biology/drug-experience/ideology", thus that is only partial safety where "the in group" is safe and "the out group" isn't. A biological gestalt of safety/unsafety that seems to form in people when perceiving coping beauty is somewhat well documented I think in Halo effect. Ybllaw (talk) 23:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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