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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on December 14, 2011.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, 13 January 2012, diff
Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 Bangladesh atrocities, 16 January 2012, diff
Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, 28 February 2013, diff
Requested move March 2013 (1), 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 Bangladesh war crimes, Technical close with an administrative move back to previous name 1971 Bangladesh atrocities, diff
Requested move March 2013 (2), 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, Moved, 8 March 2013,
Requested move June 2013, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 East Pakistan genocide, Not moved, 3 June 2013,
Requested move 08 August 2014, 1971 Bangladesh Genocide → Bengali Genocide, Not moved, 8 August 2014,
Requested move 12 March 2017, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → Bengali genocide, Not moved, 12 March 2017,
Requested move 9 January 2023, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → Bangladesh genocide, Moved, 9 January 2023

On 12 April 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to Bangladeshi genocide. The result of the discussion was not moved.

This article looks fishy

Looking at the first citation, a PDF hosted on the expired domain "genocidebangladesh.org" doesn't look academic in nature at all. Self published sources are not reliable and hence not allowed, specially on such a contentious topic.

The citation that supports the claim: "Hindus were especially targeted" i.e. the book "The blood telegram" by Mr. Gary J. Bass does not include specific evidence to support his claim. He doesn't report how many causalities were Hindus as opposed to Muslims to provide concrete evidence that Hindus were specifically targeted. According to the mainstream consensus, the reason of conflict was "which language should be used in Bangladesh Urdu or Bangla" and not religion. At best, I would consider his work to be cited using in-text attribution. See WP:Biased.

While atrocities happened at Bangladesh liberation war, but the mainstream consensus is that the conflict happened due to language and not religion. Promoting the narrative that "Hindus are in danger" is not only dangerous but also serves as propaganda tool to the ruling Indian Hindu nationalist Bhartiya Janta Party and puts the lives of Muslims in neighboring countries in danger.

I would recommend a serious probe into the citations of this article. And correct the tone to make it more objective, disinterested and neutral. Panacia64 (talk) 15:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we using obviously exaggerated numbers in this article

The 3 million number is clearly fishy and exaggerated. Like how can less then 100k Pakistani soldiers kill 3 million people in less then a year. it took the Nazis 4 years to kill double the number. Xenomire (talk) 03:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Nazis killed far more than 6 million people, and 3 million people could be killed in 280 days, approximately the length of the genocide, by 90,000 soldiers, approximately the number of Pakistani soldiers deployed on the Eastern Front during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1971, with each soldier killing one person every 8.4 days. 90,000 soldiers killing one person every day could kill 25.2 million people in 280 days. Please pick up a calculator before attempting genocide denial. Patriotparty1776 (talk) 08:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well anyways the 3 million number came from mujiber rahmans speech as a mistake because he meant to say 3 hundred thousand which is the actual number. Also math does not work. there are many factors hindering a killing. Also read this please https://medium.com/@ancientpakistan/debunking-the-myths-of-1971-bangladesh-bd0f2829377d Xenomire (talk) 02:25, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 04:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladesh genocide → Bangladeshi genocide – Proper name, WP:COMMONNAME. Similar to Armenian genocide, Cambodian genocide etc. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 05:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). AimanAbir18plus (talk) 04:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oppose because the proposer has presented no evidence that the proposed name is the WP:COMMONNAME. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

support because most other names are in the same format: Rwandan genocide, Bosnian genocide, Greek genocide. Lova Falk (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose clearly not the WP:COMMONNAME. "Bangladeshi genocide" is such an uncommon term that it doesn't even register in Ngrams: [1]. It's also inaccurate since sources define the genocide's victims as Bengalis (an ethnic group), not Bangladeshis. There are other articles in List of genocides titled "[place] genocide" instead of "[adjective] genocide", like California genocide, Putumayo genocide, East Timor genocide, Darfur genocide, and Gaza genocide. Malerisch (talk) 04:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Bangladesh was not formed as a country back then to call it "Bangladeshi Genocide". Bangladeshi is a nationality and there wasn't anything like Bangladeshi nationality back then. The current one is a proper name which defines that the genocide occured specifically in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) for the country's independence.. As for the Cambodian & Armenian genocide u mentioned, let me explain for cambodia, it was already a country that time and its about the genocide of citizens of the country by Pol pot. Imwin567 (talk) 10:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 April 2025

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I believe that the inital paragraph page does not reflect the fact that this genocide was primarly motivated by hatred and abhorence of hindus. Even when muslims were killed they were being killed because Pakistan deemed to be too Hindu in nature( like their langauge or in the example of the mass rape of muslims women because they were deemed hindus like)

For example the line was the ethnic cleansing of Bengalis should be changed to was the ethnic cleansing of Bengalis ( especially bengali hindus) primarly because they were targeted and Hinduphobia was a primary factor behing why so many bengalis were targeted in the first place as they were deemed to nor be good muslims. The page needs to reflect the motive and intentions of the perpetrator as they are an essential, defining component of a genocide/ethnic cleansing. Zpatrmm007 (talk) 18:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

was the ethnic cleansing of Bengalis

To

was the ethnic cleansing of Bengalis ( especially bengali hindus) Zpatrmm007 (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zpatrmm007 You could be right, but I don't know, because you give no source. Please provide preferably two WP:reliable sources to support your request. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 09:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Worgisbor (congregate) 15:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zpatrmm007 Even though the edit request was closed, please feel free to still provide the sources. If you copy my username, I will get notified, and can see if I can make the requested edit. Lova Falk (talk) 09:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lova Falk: Before taking any action, please familiarize yourself with Talk:Bangladesh genocide/Archive 7#RFC on the victims of the Bangladesh genocide, if you haven't done so already. Although the closer's last sentence suggests the wording "... ethnic cleansing of Bengalis, especially Bengali Hindus, residing in East Pakistan", in their penultimate paragraph they say something subtly different, that there is "consensus to state that Bengali Hindus were disproportionately affected". I would argue that the sources support "disproportionately", but not, on the whole: especially, mainly, primarily, particularly, or any of the other qualifiers that have been floated. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Worldbruce first of all, thank you so much for your comment. No, I was not familiar with this discussion about the Bangladesh genocide - I came here because I try to answer extended-confirmed edit requests. But, reading what you say, shouldn't we say something about this in the first paragraph, such as "The Bangladesh genocide was the ethnic cleansing of Bengalis residing in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) during the Bangladesh Liberation War, perpetrated by the Pakistan Army and the Razakars, with Bengali Hindus disproportionately affected." What do you think? Lova Falk (talk) 14:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Worldbruce: @Lova Falk: There is one final wrinkle to the RfC: every single "Bengali Hindus" !voter, bar one, was recently blocked as a sockpuppet. I asked the closer what this meant about the RfC, and they suggested the lead sentence could just say "Bengalis" per WP:IAR. While it's true that Bengali Hindus were disproportionately/especially affected, I think it's debatable whether this should be mentioned in the very first sentence or the following sentence/paragraph per MOS:FIRST. Malerisch (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Malerisch. I'll refrain from editing this page. Lova Falk (talk) 05:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]