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Commanders and leaders

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I have reverted an editors attempt to add "killed in action" symbols etc to this article as they add nothing to our understanding of the conflict. The entire "commanders and leaders" part of the info box is absurd as it is trying to impose a structure based on wars between nation states onto an entirely different kind of conflict. The idea that George III, for example, (or any British monarch) was a commander or leader in a war against Indigenous Australians has no basis in the historical sources. The other "British" commanders listed are just a random selection of monarchs and governors,. Similarly, the list of Indigenous "leaders" is just a number of peoples who were identified in the colonial press, they weren't "commanders" because traditional Indigenous society had no concept of commanders. Nor do we have any evidence that these people were elders of their clans. There might be a case for listing some of these as "prominent warriors in the eyes of the settlers"but that is all. Truganini was not even that. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the British monarchs from the info box as the information was unsourced. If an an editor can find academic sources which state that Queen Victoria etc commanded and led the colonial forces against Indigenous people such sources can be discussed on Talk. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll

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Hello all

I have revised the death toll figures in the Info Box based on the second edition of Reynold's scholarly study The Forgotten War (2022). This is one of the most studied areas of Australian history in the past twenty years so it's important that we base the article on the most recent scholarship where possible. The figure of 115,000 Indigenous deaths in the conflicts wasn't a scholarly estimate from Reynolds, he merely mentions it as speculation by one author and sources it to the Brisbane Times). In any event, the info box is supposed to be a summary of the contents of the article and I can see no section in the article discussing recent scholarship on this complex issue. I will try to add one in the next week of so. This is an important aspect of Australian history and this article needs a thorough rewrite based on the most recent and reliable scholarly sources. I would be happy to work with other interested editors to improve the article over time.

Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 02:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, fair call. The Colonial Frontier Massacres in Australia, 1788-1930 project here has excellent quality information. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posse Comitatus

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During many conflicts of the Australian Frontier Wars, there were many militias that took part in fighting against the Aboriginals. A good number were illegal, civilian militias that operated without government permission, but other militias were government run and either legal, or de facto legal. There were many cases where the mayor of a town would raise armed men from the civilian population to fight, an example would be when the ‘mayor’ of the Cloncurry area raised an informal Posse to engage the Kalkadoon. To this point, in the infobox section of this page, should Posse Comitatus be added as a combatant in the wars? I think that would be highly appropriate seeing how much of the conflict was fought by organisations the same or similar to that. 2001:8003:3A18:E00:7542:B483:9B48:2F79 (talk) 07:15, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there were many cases, it should not be difficult to list some reliable sources that document this. Nickm57 (talk) 08:08, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
100% you’re right. I will go find some sources. I will list them soon. 2001:8003:3A18:E00:7542:B483:9B48:2F79 (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
. Police Commissioner Simpson gathered forces of soldiers, police and civilians from the Brisbane area. He pulled up some 75-100 civilian men, this might not have technically been called a Posse, but it was a government sponsored militia. They were used to fight against the United Tribes during the War of Southern Queensland, this occurred in 1843, source cited from the ‘Battle of One Tree Hill’ page on Wikipedia.
. The British government called up 912 civilians and 738 convicts servants, they formed a legal and legitimate government Posse. They were used in an attempt to destroy the Tasmanian Aboriginals. This event was known as the ‘Black Line’, this occurred from October-November 1830, source cited from the ‘Black War’ page on Wikipedia.
. Alexander Kennedy, a prominent landowner, who acted as de facto mayor of the Cloncurry area, called up a large body of armed men to engage the Kalkadoon, they acted as an unofficial Posse. This occurred in 1878, source cited from the ‘course of the wars’ section in the ‘Kalkadoon Wars’ page on Wikipedia. 2001:8003:3A18:E00:1156:5464:CAE5:5097 (talk) 10:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Use of military forces post Federation?

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Is there any evidence of military forces engaging the Aboriginals beyond Federation? The wars continued in some capacity for a further 30 years, was there some use of soldiers in that period? In the conflicts before Federation, we see the use of the British Army and Volunteer Rifle units, but post Federation, we really don’t see anything of the kind. 101.183.64.212 (talk) 01:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre map finalised

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A map of Australian frontier wars massacres has been finalised according to the currently available evidence, by the Colonial Frontier Massacres Digital Map Project: Allam, Lorena; Evershed, Nick (23 February 2025). "More than 10,000 First Nations people killed in Australia's frontier wars, final massacre map shows". The Guardian. Retrieved 23 February 2025. "The Killing Times (map)". The Guardian. 23 February 2025. Retrieved 23 February 2025. Errantios (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, good to know. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]