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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Not moved, → Trump trade war with China, to Trump trade war with China, see discussion.
Not moved, 5 February 2025, to United States trade war with China, see discussion.

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A further voice on infobox

@Remsense and @Mx. Granger are correct on this. Please do not re add the junk infobox. Referring to other articles which are doing things badly is not persuasive, it just suggests those pages should be fixed. JArthur1984 (talk) 12:14, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 February 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

China–United States trade war → United States trade war with China – I propose this move for two reasons. One because the new page name would be consistent with the way that America/Donald Trump's concurrent trade war with Canada and Mexico has been written (2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico). Two because it would reflect the historical record that it was the United States which started the trade war with China and not the other way around. The current page name not only doesn't make that clear, it gives the impression that the US and China shared responsibility for starting the war or that China was even responsible for starting it. Nghtcmdr (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you close this, since the clear difference is that the other article is about a 1-on-2 relationship. It's also just not the case that the title "suggests blame". Remsense ‥ 论 21:33, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But even if the other articles were dealing with a 1-on-1 relationship, why couldn't we name them "U.S. trade war with Canada" or "U.S. trade war with Mexico"? Maybe you think they would come off as too wordy but I'd argue the names would compensate for that with the clarity and accuracy they bring. My issue with the current page name is that it appears to distort the record, not because it incorrectly assign blame. It's a factual and not a moral point I'm making. You appear to be making the assumption that the country which started the trade war is bad since it's bad to start trade wars but that supports an argument which is different from the one I am making which hinges on deciding how the trade war began. Nghtcmdr (talk) 01:57, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The current title refrains from assigning blame; instead, it lists the two relevant countries in alphabetical order. The title doesn't need to try to indicate which country's government started the trade war. The title should just identify the topic, and detailed information should go in the article itself. It's hard for me to see what would be gained from the proposed title. As Remsense points out above, there are other considerations at play in the Canada/Mexico/US article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:03, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Mellk (talk) 16:48, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Unnecessary change that would violate WP:NPOV. KyleSirTalksAlot (talk) 16:50, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose EarthDude (talk) 16:39, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose – per Mx. Granger’s reasoning. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically because of how the new title would run afoul with NPOV. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – It doesn't matter who started the trade war. The reason why 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico is titled the way it is because there's three countries involved, but Canada and Mexico are not in a trade war with each other. Yue💌 02:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Content move

@Remsense I think my edit summary was unclear. I copied more detailed information from the Tariffs in the second Trump administration article to the subsection here. This is the main article for China-US trade war content and should carry more detail than that article, which is about tariffs more broadly. satkara❈talk 23:45, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware, and my edit summary in turn accurately responds to your intent. Well, strictly speaking, the two articles don't overlap one another. Remsense ‥ 论 23:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense I'm confused why you'd oppose more detail on the trade war in this article. The reversion also removed context added to the Biden administration and fixing of incorrectly cited content. Could you elaborate on what information you objected to? satkara❈talk 23:51, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

China–United States trade war vs. United States–China trade war

Conventionally, the first country named in a war is the one that attacked the other. In this case, then, this "war" was started by U.S. President Trump. Therefore, I suggest moving this article to United States–China trade war. 80.71.141.166 (talk) 20:33, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]