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Submission declined on 21 September 2024 by Johannes Maximilian (talk).
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Comment: I do think the seven page chapter in Burton's book is SIGGOV. Star Mississippi 20:23, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Creator comment: I know it's thin, which is why I went AfC v. direct creation. Let me know any thoughts if you decline Star Mississippi 22:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Alibi's was a lesbian bar in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, that closed in January 2024. Owned by two queer women, it strove for inclusivity and served as a destination among the queer community in a red state.[1][2] Prior to closing it was one of the state's last three lesbian bars and the city's most diverse neighborhood bar.[3][4][2] Alibi's was located in the city's Shepherd Historic District, and was known for its usage of signs in the space.[5]
The bar was featured in Krista Burton's Moby Dyke, Alexis Clements' All We've Got and Greggor Mattson's Who Needs Gay Bars?, the latter of which also explored the intersectionality between Oklahoma City's BIPOC and Queer communities.[6][7][8][9]
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[edit]- ^ Demopoulos, Alaina (2023-06-08). "'They fling the doors wide open for you': why America's lesbian bars must be saved". The Guardian. Retrieved 2024-07-10.
- ^ a b Kirouac, Matt (2023-06-20). "Oklahoma Is An Epicenter Of Lesbian Bars In The US". Tasting Table. Retrieved 2024-07-10.
- ^ Bartle, David (2021-12-14). "'A place for us': Oklahoma home to 3 of 21 lesbian bars in U.S." NonDoc. Retrieved 2024-07-10.
- ^ Wallace, Alicia (2021-06-30). "There are roughly two dozen lesbian bars in the United States. The ones that are left are evolving to survive". CNN Business. Retrieved 2024-02-08.
- ^ Burton, Krista (2024-06-04). Moby Dyke: An Obsessive Quest To Track Down The Last Remaining Lesbian Bars In America. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 978-1-6680-0054-0.
- ^ Mattson, Greggor (2023-05-30). Who Needs Gay Bars?: Bar-Hopping through America's Endangered LGBTQ+ Places. Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-1-5036-3587-6.
- ^ Eakin, Marah (2023-06-27). "This New Book Asks, 'Where Have All the Lesbian Bars Gone?'". Retrieved 2024-02-08.
- ^ Mina, A. X. (2024-04-17). "Lesbian Bars Make a Much-Needed Comeback". Hyperallergic. Retrieved 2024-07-10.
- ^ Kirouac, Matt (2022-02-10). "Oklahoma City Is Getting Queerer". Condé Nast Traveler. Retrieved 2024-07-10.
• The draft claims that Alibi's "strove for inclusivity", while the source reads "Krystal and Tiffany (owners of Alibi's) made a big point about the bar being inclusive." → The source represents the bar owners' opinion which is not what I would deem independent. A correct representation of the source would be: According to Tastingtable, the owners of Alibi's "made a big point about the bar being inclusive".
• The draft claims that Alibi's "served as a destination (…) in a red state." The source cites Ann Harris – a co-owner of a different lesbian bar in Oklahoma – who briefly mentions the term "red state". The source, however, doesn't discuss that in great detail with any connection to this draft's topic. → Again, the source merely (re)presents an intellectually non-independent individual's opinion rather than its own.
• The draft claims that Alibi's was "the city's most diverse neighborhood bar." The source describes that Oklahoma City grows in population, and that this growing poluation is diverse ("an influx of (…) increasingly diverse (…) residents") which the source attributes to Tulsa Remote: "Tulsa Remote (…) [incentivizes] a wave of new residents from a diverse range of backgrounds." → The source doesn't make the claim that Alibi's was the "most diverse" bar in its neighbourhood.
Frankly, I also find such a claim very difficult to support because diversity cannot be easily measured; I know that I'm making a point here but consider these questions: Which is the world's most lesbian-friendly city? Who is the most influential queer individual of our time? Where is America's most diverse gay bar? I hope you get the point, these questions cannot be answered with a mathematically true or false answer. Wikipedia can only represent opinions on these questions, and in order to comply with WP:NPOV, an ideal article on Wikipedia should represent all major opinions on a matter. To call a spade a spade, I reckon that the draft represents a very niche point of view which may well be aligned with your own (in Wikipedia terms: This could be WP:OR). This is avoided when closely citing all major sources. As a side effect, this practice of closely citing all major sources also contributes significantly to the demonstration of notability – that is because it doesn't only introduce major sources to an article, but also, it shows what the sources have to discuss. The demonstration of the latter is key for notability demonstration.
Best, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 21:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)