Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highlander

Redirect

Whats with the redirect and deleting some of the original character's pages? I tried to get the page of Sean Burns up from wikipedia and it redirected me to a two line summary of the character. There was tons of other information on Sean and his backstory, I believe. Please fix up and repair the page for sean burns.

67.167.21.138 (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I redirected that article as part of the start-of-the-year sweep (see above) because there was not enough out-of-universe information from reliable third party sources. This includes things like, why was Michael J. Jackson chosen for this role, how did he envision it, what was the function of the character, how was the job made, what did they change, how did they work together, what the audience said about it, did the character have an influence on the series, etc. It is really difficult to find this kind of information for a recurring character and so I couldn't keep the article. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) for more details. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Misc. Characters

I was reading above about the plight of the minor and misc. characters. I have a question/possible solution about this and didn't know if I should continue on with that discussion or start my own. So, I'm starting my own, but it can be moved. Anyway, I was wondering if Wiki had any size limits (as in, how little content can you have on a subject to qualify it to have it's own article) on articles? If not, then maybe we can decide how to address whether a character gets a full page or just a blip on the "minor characters" page.

My ideas: If there is enough information on a character that warrents more than either 1) two (large, like more than three sentences) paragraphs or 2) we have some background info as well as present day info and misc info (like "lovers", "time line", "fighting styles", "abilities", etc...) then that would warrent an article. If it's anything less then it should be listed on the "minor characters" page.

I just thought this might be a good way to classify who gets what since the Highlander Universe is still (somewhat) active and this would allow characters to be changed as we receive more information on them and also keep some confusion down. Any other suggestions? Selenameeka (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I know wikipedia has a policy, Not Paper, that deals with size issues and what can or can not be included. This idea seems to make sense to me. Hooper (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, there are two problems here. First, article size. There is a technical size limit on articles, which is around 32 Kb because above that it becomes difficult for people on slow connections to load the article. And the bottom limit is vague, but let's say an article is accepted as a stub when it has enough info to prove its notability, and it can be achieved in two or three sentences, for example : "John Doe, born May 9, 1942, is a former fencer who won three Olympic gold medals. He then became a wealthy businessman selling sporting equipment, before setting up a worldwide charity to help disabled people get access to sports." --You get my drift. That would be accepted as a stub (if it was real). I might also add that the limit between a stub and a start-class article is about 1500 words. But, size is not really a problem, actually. If you have information then your article becomes big enough real quickly.

The second problem here is the information. Actually, it is the kind of information and the reliable sources that we can get. It is very important, when writing about fictional characters, to make the distinction between in-universe and out-of-universe information. In-universe means talking about characters as if they were real. ("Connor MacLeod was born in 1518 in the Highlands of Scotland.") Out-of-universe means talking about them from the real world point of view, as characters of a television production. ("The 1986 movie Highlander tells the story of Connor MacLeod, born in 1518 in the Highlands of Scotland.") Wikipedia articles are out-of-universe, meaning they need a lot of out-of-universe information in them, like how the writers created the characters, why this particular actor was cast, did the character change or evolve, what the actor thinks about the character and how they play them, what the producers think, what the audience think, did the character influence the show or even the real world ? (and everything I told the IP fellow above counts, too. It's more or less the same anyway.) Actually, what the character actually does only counts for about a third of the total article. See for example Padmé Amidala, Palpatine and Jabba the Hutt which are all featured articles. And everything must be referenced to reliable sources if you want it to make it to GA. THAT'S the big problem. Information is scarce and reliable sources even more so. (And it's damn frustrating, I might add.)

I'm telling you all this because we had a lot of stubby articles about a lot of characters, and I redirected them all because there was no information available on them. (Sorry if I insist : out-of-universe info.) So there sort of already is a criterion on who gets an article and who not, which is, is there enough material from reliable sources out there for them ? I think it's a good criterion. The whole point of this project is to make good/featured articles. There is no point keeping articles that will never make it to GA. The main, really important policy here is Manual of Style : Writing About Fiction. It encompasses all what I've said and tried to emphasize here. Please take the time to have a look at it and we can discuss this further. Rosenknospe (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you answer my question, give me advice, and give me good examples all in one! I love you! Haha. Anyway, I'll read over these articles and see how they are set up and try to work on a re-write of Methos and some other articles. Is this okay with everyone? Selenameeka (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Go for it, and if you have more questions, feel free to drop me a line. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Expanded Timelines

I have noticed that there are a few aspects of Duncan MacLeod's Timeline that are missing from the article. The only one I can cover right now is the 1780's meeting with May-Ling Shen in Outer Mongolia. This is a very important meeting, as it is the time at which Duncan learned a great deal of the martial arts skill he based most of his subsequent fighting styles on. This is also the earliest chronological appearance of a Watcher on-screen (as seen by his medallion in the flashback). May-Ling was also Duncan's first female combat teacher (not to be confused with etiquette teacher, like Kristin Gilles in 1659).

Anyways, here we can bring up more to add to peoples' timelines and discuss interpretations of what's not solid fact. I also noticed that there is some stuff missing from Methos' page, too. Most notably his education in Heidelberg and subsequent career as a doctor. Ristaron (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Although I created three of these pages myself, I'm still not sure they comply with Wikipedia policy about reliable sources and out-of-universe perspective (one of them is already tagged) and I certainly can't see them go through GAC sucessfully. I think important moments of Duncan MacLeod's life can maybe go in his article, and this goes for Methos as well. In any case, we can't interpret anything. Every opinion must be referenced to reliable sources. Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Leaps of Faith

Er, I am encountering a new user in the Highlander article who is suggesting that McLeod and Ramirez jumped off a cliff together to prove the Quickening, or some such. On the off chance that I missed a fairly notable fact over the past twenty-two years, I re-watched the relevant scene. I didn't see any such thing. I might need a little bit of help convincing the new user of this fact. Might someone pop over and join the chorus? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Just gimme time to check my disks and I'll post over there. Rosenknospe (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't see it on any of my Highlander movies. --Kensane (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Highlander II fourth version??

Hey everyone. I noticed in the Highlander II article there's information about a fourth version of the film that was put together by fans. There are no sources on the info, nor are there links to where one might be able to obtain this fourth version. Any info on where I can view this film would be appreciated, I'd be interested to check it out, and I'm sure many other fans of the Highlander franchise would too. Cheers!! --Kensane (talk) 11:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

List of science fiction film and television series by lengths

Could someone from the project please weigh in at List of science fiction film and television series by lengths as to whether Highlander is science fiction? An IP added the Highlander films to the list; unfortunately, another editor reverted, it was restored by a third editor (and so on). I've restored it for the time being, but would like to invite someone who knows the material to comment. (I don't care either way; this post is as an admin.) Thanks in advance. --Ckatz^chat_spy 06:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I answered on the article's talk page. Rosenknospe (talk) 08:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

4x14: Deliverance Goof

Is the "goof" mentioned in Episodes_of_Highlander_(season_4)#Deliverance really accurate? I can't find any references confirming the mistake, and there have been several quickenings that made it appear as if it had suddenly become night, some of which reverted to day immediately afterward and some did not. Bufori (talk) 06:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Input

Donno how active this project is, but a recent proposal i made could use some further constructive input. It relates to a merge please see here for further details; Talk:Highlander_(franchise)#Merge_Discussion_of_Highlander:_The_Reckoning, Thanks Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)