Wikipedia talk:Feminism and Folklore 2025
Jury members
[edit]Narutolovehinata5, Haoreima and MSG17 I've added all of you as jury members of Feminism and Folklore 2025 here on English Wiki, I was hoping that you would like to be an jury members of Feminism and Folklore 2025. If no, please feel free to remove your name from the jury members. Also, I would like to invite all of you to join as jury members/local organizers for Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025, please add your in the jury members section there. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 08:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Clarification
[edit]@ZI Jony, Greetings! I would like to have some clarity on the topics associated with the subject. The title specifies that articles falling under the broad categories of folklore and women in folklore would be accepted.
a. As an expansive term, does folklore constitute all arts and architecture (say paintings, buildings, archeological sites, religious structures etc.)?
b. Regarding women in folklore, it is mentioned that "Participants can explore the stories of folk artists, dancers, singers, musicians, game athletes, and delve into the portrayal of women in mythology, folklore, and fairy tales". Does this mean articles on women dancers/actors practicing modern arts/theater would not be accepted, as it was the case last time around.
As a general rule of clarification, while I have been contributing to other language Wikis, I noticed that literally any article related to women (ranging from sportswomen to actresses to women's colleges!) are accepted as within the ambit. Probably one of the reasons why there is a plethora of articles from some of the Wikis under the competition. As it is a global one across Wikis, due to the lack of uniformity, this puts the English Wiki at a significant disadvantage for want of topics (on top of the one with the most existing articles!). Probably something to ponder upon.
Thanks in advance! M2 (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, greetings, and thank you for reaching out with your queries!
- a. Scope of Folklore: Folklore, as defined within the competition, primarily covers oral traditions, customs, folk arts, performances, literature, and material culture associated with traditional communities. While some forms of visual arts and architecture (such as folk paintings, crafts, or culturally significant buildings tied to folklore) may be accepted, generic arts, modern paintings, or architectural structures unrelated to folklore traditions would likely fall outside the scope. If a building or site has strong folklore significance—such as being tied to myths, legends, or folk traditions—it may be considered.
- b. Women in in Folklore: The contest encourages content on women within folklore-related domains, such as folk artists, singers, dancers, musicians, and athletes engaged in traditional folk games. However, contemporary artists, actors, and performers practicing modern arts or theater (such as mainstream cinema or ballet) do not fit within this thematic focus. The emphasis remains on women’s roles in mythology, folklore, and oral traditions rather than modern artistic expressions.
- Regarding the variation across different Wikipedia editions: Yes, there have been inconsistencies across languages in previous editions, where some communities have included a broader range of articles, including sportswomen, actresses, and women's colleges. However, for English Wikipedia, the competition maintains a more specific focus on folklore-related topics. This is a point worth discussing further for consistency across projects, and I appreciate your insights on this matter.
- I hope this helps! Let me know if you need further clarification. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 11:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, Thanks for the elaborate response. I have created some articles on different themes, two pertain to religious sites (Shinto tradition, and Gallo-Roman), one on an ancient funeral art piece (amphora), one on a painting depicting a incident from religious lore, and a biography on a historian/archivist. It will be more helpful if you/jury can throw light on them, so that I can proceed on whether these themes are acceptable. Thanks! M2 (talk) 07:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, I appreciate your thought. However, I believe this is not the correct way to proceed! I would suggest you to submit those articles for our jury process, and we hope that there will a good sounds. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 15:05, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, I have already submitted them in the tool as per the process specified. My request is that if the jury can validate them at the earliest rather than later, it might help to focus the effort. As you remember, the last time, a lot of the articles from various users were rejected at the last minute which gives no time for course correction, discussion or focus on the topic at hand. Thanks! M2 (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, sorry for the late response. I evaluated two of your submissions which has been rejected. Please focus on our theme. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, Thanks. Apologies before hand, as it is going to be another long post.
- Magentic Manifestations, sorry for the late response. I evaluated two of your submissions which has been rejected. Please focus on our theme. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, I have already submitted them in the tool as per the process specified. My request is that if the jury can validate them at the earliest rather than later, it might help to focus the effort. As you remember, the last time, a lot of the articles from various users were rejected at the last minute which gives no time for course correction, discussion or focus on the topic at hand. Thanks! M2 (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, I appreciate your thought. However, I believe this is not the correct way to proceed! I would suggest you to submit those articles for our jury process, and we hope that there will a good sounds. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 15:05, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, Thanks for the elaborate response. I have created some articles on different themes, two pertain to religious sites (Shinto tradition, and Gallo-Roman), one on an ancient funeral art piece (amphora), one on a painting depicting a incident from religious lore, and a biography on a historian/archivist. It will be more helpful if you/jury can throw light on them, so that I can proceed on whether these themes are acceptable. Thanks! M2 (talk) 07:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- However, I need further clarity on this. As per my understanding, the theme is based on folklore and its extended topics. The articles you had evaluated were both monarchs who were part of Tamil literature and subjects of folklore from later period of time. I do not see a reason why books on lore or characters from history, who had myths associated with them should not be acceptable topics. If this is not folklore (gifting elephants and objects of immortality?), I am not sure what is. As tangible objects associated such as instruments/religious sites are acceptable, books (literature) and characters from these books should be well within the ambit of the topics.
- If I am not wrong, the topics accepted (based on evaluations from last two years) seem to be narrowed down only to religion/cultural practices, religious sites (temples etc.), and women educators/researchers. Can I take it as such, and restrict to only these topics?
- I have another point as a feedback on the review mechanism. From the last year's competition, it is evident different members of the jury had different views on various articles.
- If two of the jury had accepted while one had rejected, will the majority opinion hold? Or what if one accepts and one rejects. From last year, it seemed that it needed a complete concurrence/acceptance by all the evaluators. If one of the jury has a difference of opinion, there does not seem to be a review mechanism or decision maker anointed for it. For example, in one of the submissions, while one of the jury members had commented "Not a new creation", and despite the other jury member specifying clearly "Expanded, added 20000+ bytes, and 400+ words by the user", it has still been not accepted. As per guideline, this ought to have been accepted. So, it is better to frame these as a part of the guidelines as to what happens in case of a mixed view from the jury. Thanks!
- M2 (talk) 05:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, Aay (king) is about a historical Tamil king from the Sangam era. While historical rulers are important in cultural heritage, the article does not align with the folklore or feminism themes of the contest. And, Nalli (ruler) is about a historical ruler without a strong connection to folklore or women's representation, it would also not meet the contest's criteria. Unless the ruler has significant ties to folklore or women’s representation. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:35, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, I do not want to get into a war on this. My interpretation was that these kings were part of Tamil folklore, and hence my work on them and the subsequent discussion. I will accept your interpretation here, and move on. Thanks for the prior clarification as it will help focus on the topics at hand further. As mentioned in the second part, would request to sort out the judging of the articles amongst the jury, to avoid the mishaps that happened last year. Thanks! M2 (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Magentic Manifestations, Aay (king) is about a historical Tamil king from the Sangam era. While historical rulers are important in cultural heritage, the article does not align with the folklore or feminism themes of the contest. And, Nalli (ruler) is about a historical ruler without a strong connection to folklore or women's representation, it would also not meet the contest's criteria. Unless the ruler has significant ties to folklore or women’s representation. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:35, 24 February 2025 (UTC)