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The article is about a 9th-century archdiocese in Central Europe where Old Church Slavonic liturgy was introduced. I've listed this article for peer review because I need input to improve its prose, comprehensiveness and neutrality. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 03:12, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Noleander

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  • Lead: Would benefit from a map of the region covered by the archbishopric .. even if it is not 100% certain what the borders are, any kind of map that shows approximately where in Europe it was is essential. The red/yellow/green map of Carol. empire is nice, but doesn't tell the reader where this archbish. was
  • Duration/dates: When did the archbishp begin and end? That should be in the Lead, very near the beginning.
  • Conflict not made clear: The article mentions a conflict: Since they refused to obey, Wiching captured ... and .... did not put an end to his conflicts with the German clerics. It sounds like the conflict is important; but the conflict is not made clear to the reader. Is the conflict about the language used in church services (latin vs local language)? Or is it a simple power struggle between ambitious clergy?
  • Collapse contradicted by appointment of archbishop? ... asking him to restore church hierarchy in Moravia. The Pope agreed and sent his three legates to Moravia who consecrated an archbishop and three suffragan bishops. This section is about the "collapse" of the archbishopric ... but the end of the section says a new archbishop was consecrated. That seems contradictory. Doesn't "collapse" mean that thea archbishop position was eliminated, and the region merged with a neighboring archbishopric?
  • Best to restate important facts: Methodius quickly convinced the pope of the orthodoxy of his views in early ... There are a lot of people and events in this article: casual readers will have a hard time tracking them all. In this sentence (green above) the article should remind the reader what "his views" are, by restating them with a few words, inside this sentence.
  • Overall: the article has good prose, spelling, grammar and MOS (style).
The biggest improvement that can be made is helping readers see the big picture. The article is a rather dense list of facts (names & dates) ... and many readers may become confused. Each section and paragraph should have some more "top level" words reminding the reader what is happening in the overall narrative. Words like "... continuing his efforts to satisfy the pope's request ..." or "... attempting to enlarge his personal power at the expense of .." or " .... contrary to what the neighboring Germany archbishop wanted ..." etec. [note that I'm making those facts/words up ... they are simply to illustrate the kind of wording needed].
As a history article, it should tell a story, so try to string it together more by linking events & thoughts together throughout time. Noleander (talk) 14:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]