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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 7:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC) [1].

Homer Simpson

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Notified: WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject The Simpsons, WikiProject Animation, WikiProject Television, 750h+, Xeroctic

I am nominating this featured article for review because...The article is now outdated in some parts (the lead should be updated) + the design (not entirely), reception, and cultural influence sections need to be overhauled and expanded to meet the modern FA criteria. It also has no appearances section, the notes section is irrelevant, and more. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will work on this. Like Bart Simpson, an appearances section is irrelevant, as he only appears in one show, The Simpsons. 750h+ 11:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are citation errors - Sito 2006; Terrace 2014; and Jackson & Moshin 2013 are used as sfn short citations with no corresponding long citations
    • fixed
  • The Character development section seems to trail off around 2007 - I know the TV show's quality has generally gone downhill in recent years, but is there no such material like that for the last 15 years?
    • there's not many dates mentioned here; there's sources from much more recent than 2007.
  • "While Homer's thoughtless antics often frustrate his family, he consistently proves himself to be a loving husband" - "consistently proves" yet cited to what appears to only be a single episode?
    • fixed
  • "The show occasionally hints that Homer forgets he has a third child, Maggie. " - yet again only appears to be sourced to a single episode (and one in which Homer apparently rearranged his life for Maggie)
    • while copyediting before i actually tried to find a source for this but i couldn't find that any reliable ones so i'll probably just remove the forgetting Maggie part. Though I think the part for Homer rearranging his life for Maggie is acceptable since it does say the event in the text.
  • "Homer frequently engages in debates with his own mind, expressed through internal voiceovers. His mind often provides questionable advice that occasionally steers him in the right direction but more often results in catastrophic failures. In some instances, his mind even becomes so exasperated with Homer that it "walks out" on him, symbolized through sound effects. These internal dialogues were initially introduced as time-fillers and were relatively simple for the animators to create" is sourced to "Vitti, Jon (writer); Lynch, Jeffrey (director) (February 4, 1993). "Brother from the Same Planet". The Simpsons. Season 4. Episode 14. Fox." which appears to just be a single episode and not some sort of season commentary?
    • will do this soon

I don't think this is ready to be kept yet. Hog Farm talk 00:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sgubaldo pinging also just incase they may be interested at reviewing the article. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 22:06, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: ? 750h+ 09:42, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have been very busy IRL the last week or so, but hopefully I'll have some time this weekend to take another look at this. Hog Farm talk 17:48, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "We wanted Bart to do anything up to the point of him being tried in court as a dad. But Homer is a dad" - I thought this seemed odd; looked it up, and the source actually says "We wanted Bart to do anything up to the point of him being tried in court as an adult. But Homer is an adult". This is the result of non-productive editing in 2018
  • "However, under Mike Scully's tenure as executive producer (seasons nine through twelve, 1997–2001), his behavior shifted toward being a "boorish, self-aggrandizing oaf"." - minor source text integrity issue - we can't support that Scully's tenure ended in 2001 with a 2000 source. Worse, the source doesn't mention Scully at all, and states that this transition occurred "Somewhere along the way — and try as I might, I’ve been unable to nail down exactly when it happened "
  • "espite his strained relationship with his father, Abraham "Grampa" Simpson—whom Homer quickly placed in a nursing home and whom the Simpson family often tries to avoid—Homer has occasionally shown genuine love and affection for him." - this would be best sourced to something more secondary than two indiviual episodes
  • "n 1982, Robert Thompson, director of Syracuse University's Center for the Study of Popular Television, predicts that "three centuries from now, English professors are going to be regarding Homer Simpson as one of the greatest creations in human storytelling"." - this makes no sense, as Homer was not introduced until '87. A look through the source suggests that the 1982 reference is actually Thompson stating that Letterman emerging in '82 paved the way for the Simpsons
    • I have no idea how that happened

In addition, I've corrected a reference placement myself and removed an instance of duplicated content. The article needs to be gone over to check for source-text; I'm way to busy to do all that myself. Hog Farm talk 03:08, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: thanks for the edits, and i will go over this in a bit. 750h+ 06:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
fixed all of @Hog Farm:'s concerns, if anyone would like to do a spotcheck feel free 750h+ 13:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@750h+: - My concern here is that we're going to get a WP:FIXLOOP - source text integrity issues get pointed out, the specific ones noted get resolved, another review brings up more issues, ad nauseum. I'd like to get an assurance that some systematic check of the references has been made before I try to read-through this again. Hog Farm talk 19:52, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(Sorry for the late response) Give me some time to fix the sources, and i'll get back to this in a bit. 750h+ 09:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: what do you think? i've made sure that episodes are either cited next to other sources or that the reader knows that the source is cited by an episode. 750h+ 07:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to take a look soon. Hog Farm talk 20:21, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

::::@750h+ If this FAR has been closed. Could you request this article to be copyedited at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests to be improved further? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 02:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed a couple of things in the reception that were cited to only press releases without anything to support lasting significance of those cultural references. I think this can be close w/o FARC now. Hog Farm talk 17:25, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FAR coordinators: can we close? Open for nearly four months and all major problems seem to be addressed. best, 750h+ 02:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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