Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Arab–Khazar wars/archive2

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The article was archived by David Fuchs via FACBot (talk) 23:46 15 May 2025 article candidates/Arab–Khazar wars/archive2&diff=1290623904&oldid=1290623904 FACBot (talk) 00:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Arab–Khazar wars

Nominator(s): Constantine ✍ 16:44, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 7th and 8th-century conflicts between the nomadic steppe empire of the Khazars and the emergent Arab caliphate for control of the Caucasus mountains and adjacent territories. Especially the 8th-century conflict, fought over several decades, was one of the major wars fought by the Umayyad Caliphate, featuring its most prominent commanders, with rapid reversals of fortune and ultimately little gain for the Muslims, but draining the Umayyad military and contributing to the Caliphate's collapse. The conflict may also have driven the Khazars (or at least their elite) into embracing Judaism as their state religion. The article has been loon gin work passing GA in 2016, MilHist ACR in 2018, and went through a first FAC in October 2023, which failed mostly because of lack of availability on my part. I have delayed renomination while looking for more sources, but nothing has come to my attention so far that is not in some way already covered. I therefore nominate it again with the intention of seeing this through to the end. Constantine ✍ 16:44, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Nagyszentmiklos_2b_korso_-_Hampel_1894.jpg: what's the full source for this?

File:Caliphate_740-en.svg: see MOS:COLOUR. Ditto File:Europe_814.svg, File:Chasaren.jpg

File:Umayyad_Caliphate._temp._al-Walid_I_ibn_‘Abd_al-Malik._AD_705-715._AR_Dirham._Albanaq_(or_al-Niq)_mint.jpg needs a US tag for the coins. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Constantine ? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borsoka

The Turkic Khazars appeared in the area of present-day Dagestan in the second half of the sixth century, initially as subjects of the First Turkic Khaganate. After the latter's collapse, they emerged as an independent, dominant power in the northern Caucasus by the seventh century. These two sentences and the last paragraph of the same section cover the same events.
The Khazars are mentioned in medieval histories as being present in the Caucasus since the first centuries CE, but these are rejected as anachronistic by modern scholars. Some scholars have argued that the Khazars are to be identified with Turks who raided Sasanian Persia in the late 6th century, but again the evidence is unreliable, being derived from much later Arabic sources. I would delete both.
First Turkic Khaghanate or Western Turkic Khaganate or both?
...the presiding prince... I am not sure I understand it.
...although it is also not explicitly mentioned... I would rephrase it.
Why is the Nagyszentmiklós ewer relevant in the article's context?
I would mention in the main text that Suraqa ibn Amr was an otherwise unknown commander/general/...
...Derbent was in the hands of the Huns... the North Caucasian Huns (who were Khazar vassals)... Are these two different groups of Huns? Borsoka (talk) 08:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Funk

Good to see it back, I completed my review last time around, so I'll copy my points you didn't adress back then here, so you can check them off if they were done in the meantime. FunkMonk (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"In 735, the Umayyad general captured three fortresses in Alania (near the Darial Pass) and Tuman Shah, the ruler of a North Caucasian principality who was restored to his lands by the caliph as a client." I'm unsure of how the part after the comma relates to the first part. I wonder if "who" should be removed? Otherwise it's hard to make sense of.

You seem to randomly mention Ashot by his full title or only as Ashot. I think the full title is only needed first time around?

"and paganism remained widespread" Do we know what specific kind?

"Marwan also brought a large number of Slav and Khazar captives south, whom he resettled in the eastern Caucasus" Why?

"since those Khazars who actually converted to Islam had to be moved to safety in Umayyad territory" When and why?

Filan doesn't seem to link to anything relevant.

You end with the Khazars gradually vanishing, but would it make sense to also add whether the Arabs returned to the area later on?

You there, Cplakidas? FunkMonk (talk) 14:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Woo hoo! Constantine! Gog the Mild (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given the nominator has not edited since April, the nomination has garnered no support and is four weeks old with no new comments, archiving.

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 23:46, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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