User talk:SonOfYoutubers/fishing industry articles in country

Filtering out landlocked countries

@Chipmunkdavis As per your recommendation, I think this would definitely be a good idea to filter out countries that are most likely to have enough information for an article vs least likely. I must add though, this is only a relatively rough list, as there are still some countries who may practice inland fishing at a large scale. We may use Landlocked country - Wikipedia as a reference point, and really the only question is how we should go about sorting these countries? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 02:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend it as a measure of priority, not elimination. It is likely landlocked countries will have a fishing industry, but they'll be more minor than coastal states, and they'll likely share fewer sources. (For example, it is likely some sources will cover the impact of foreign fishing fleets across many West African coastal areas.) CMD (talk) 02:50, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis Would it then be better to separate (while retaining alphabetical order) coastal and landlocked countries into their own heading areas? Coastal could be at top as to show its priority. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could be one way to do it, especially as the articles might be structured quite differently. For the Philippines, the inland fisheries are completely different from the marine fisheries. CMD (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis Makes sense, structure definitely varies a lot. Speaking of structure, I was wondering if making article templates (prewritten headings) would be useful, especially to guide interested editors and make it easier for them to contribute, also reducing burnout as they don't feel as overwhelmed. Also helps ensure, to an extent, that all relevant information is included. The only issue is structure varies quite a lot between individual articles, but could be worth a thought. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect some topics (headings) would be common between all articles, but the amount of relevance they have for each article may differ, and some articles might need additional headings. It might also depend on the framing. I note there is a question about the Philippines article title of "Fisheries" rather than "Fishing industry", this was mostly due to the framing and language used by sources[1], but also implies a slightly more comprehensive coverage as it is a more encompassing term. "Industry" implies a more commercial focus, which might mean less coverage of small-scale/recreational fishing, and of fish stocks involved. CMD (talk) 03:18, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely some articles may need additional headings, which hopefully editors would make use of, when necessary. Let me know if you'd think a common headings template could be good idea. As for why I chose "fishing industry", it was mostly because of the majority of articles using that language, so I believed that following it through would make it easy for Wikipedia users to easily search for fishing industries using common language. Additionally, I actually initially thought the opposite, that "fishing industry" is actually more encompassing, because while it could suggest commercial focus, it also includes everything relating to fishing, including aquaculture, fish stocks, etc. So that's the main reason behind my choice, and honestly, I might keep it as that just for simplicity. "Fisheries" may seem to exclude aquaculture, and "Fishing" may seem to exclude both aquaculture and seems to imply less commercial focus, which is what a majority of sources usually focus on. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Might differ by country, sources on the Philippines divide the "Fisheries" into "Commercial" (roughly bigger companies), "Municipal" (small-scale), and "Aquaculture" (of all scales). CMD (talk) 03:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I guess it will be better to leave it to editors due to the varying structure. Also, forgot to include in my previous reply that, honestly, it's fine if an article is titled differently, as long as "Fishing industry in COUNTRY" remains a redirect to that page, again allowing for better searchability and navigation throughout Wikipedia, although I do prefer that style of title. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis I successfully separated coastal and landlocked countries, let me know if you like the change. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's good, creates some much smaller subsets that will be easier to tackle. CMD (talk) 04:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia

@Chipmunkdavis I see you put that you're intending to work on Indonesia, are you going to make a draft for it? If so, I can help in any way possible if you want. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:34, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I may as well since I still have some sources collected. Not sure on the timeframe though, probably there won't be a useable draft in the next month or two. Will appreciate help when I do have something though! CMD (talk) 23:52, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis I'll be there whenever you're ready! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 00:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]