User:EF5/NOTMEMORIAL - misinterpreted?
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On Wikipedia, WP:NOTMEMORIAL is a policy that states Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances
. Despite being clear-cut and blunt in its purpose, it has a tendency to be misinterpreted, whether that be involving the inclusion of victim-based lists or including fatality counts overall.
The basics of WP:NOTMEMORIAL
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NOTMEMORIAL as a policy broadly explains that the following things do not belong on Wikipedia:
- Non-notable people who have died
- Memorials to said people
It's about as simple as it gets, and I 100% agree with the policy. The problem, however, is when we start to see how many issues the second part of that causes. Including list of victims from a specific tornado is something that is part of my writing style (see User:EF5/Guide to writing about tornadoes#Fatality tables), and is not something that needs to be included everywhere. A great example of a table-related issue was at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2007 Greensburg tornado/archive1, where Hurricanehink mentioned that you give the exact names for people, in violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL
. Now, I'm not disagreeing with this at all, this is a great use of the policy! At the time, there was no table - it was an indiscriminate list of victims that was covered by two citations. This falls under the "non-notable people who have died" part of NOTMEMORIAL, and I'm including it as an example of good policy usage.
Issues noted
[edit]There are no glaring issues with the policy itself; I think it's written as clear as possible and generally makes sense. Rush Limbaugh stated that "in order for the Constitution to work, you have to have law-abiding people", and that's sort of the issue with NOTMEMORIAL. This is the closest quote I can actually find to what I'm trying to explain, so regardless of the speaker's political ideology we'll use it. Some frequent misinterpretations of NOTMEMORIAL that I've noticed:
- Users confusing "non-notable" with "only people who have articles".
- Users including tables under "memorials"
- More broadly, users lobbying that naming victims of an event is in direct violation of NOTMEMORIAL.
What do I think?
[edit]I personally disagree with all three points above. On the first point, ssers confusing "non-notable" with "only people who have articles"
, that is a falsehood. Notability doesn't always equate to someone having an article, this is why WP:Merging exists. On the second point, users including tables under "memorials"
, I disagree that a table displaying basic information can be called a "memorial". In fact, we have articles like list of victims of 9/11 among others, so this point can be rendered moot. On the third and largest point, users lobbying that naming victims of an event is in direct violation of NOTMEMORIAL
, nowhere in the policy does it say that including names of victims anywhere goes against NOTMEMORIAL.