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@Biohistorian15: Hello. The sidebar is too extensive when expanded in the main article. I acknowledge that you tried to fix one of the images, but there are two other images that it interferes with as well. Please just revert it; it makes the page easier to navigate. The same thing could be said about the article for Conservatism in the United States. Most other sidebars are relatively concise and that's why they can be expanded without problem. Trakking (talk) 11:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the US article; fixed. In the future, please discuss such matters on specific talk pages.
As for this article: I don't understand why the illustrations cannot be resized and moved to the left. The sidebar offers an excellent overview for the topic area. Biohistorian15 (talk) 11:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if there were no lede image I would support your proposal. But it is too much with one large image and one extensive and expanded sidebar. We can have one of them, not both at once. Trakking (talk) 11:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have one idea: how about moving the current lead image further down and rm the second one as a redundancy with this new lead image of less height. Fascist and Nazi eagles One good argument to make is that it is an svg and hence much easier to load. But I'm warning you, I don't personally have time for the long talk page discussion that might ensue. I'm not sure if the golden isn't too aggrandizing though, idk. Biohistorian15 (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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In the "Variants" section I believe there is a slight formatting error with the brackets. Specifically "Romanian (Legionarism (National Legionary State - Neo-) - Romanianism/Stelism)" where a closing bracket seems to be missing at the end. 2001:9E8:F60E:7E00:3472:60DF:1B7:6734 (talk) 01:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
earlier, this template included Francisco Franco and Tojo and Hirohito; the user Grnrchst agreed that Tojo and Hirohoto shouldn't be there, but objected on the removal of Franco. I also believe that Tojo, Hirohoto and Salazar are different from Franco, who I think should be in the template: although his personal political views may not had been strictly Fascist, as said by Stanley Payne (Paul Preston reluctantly accepts that while adding that Mussolini is the only undisputable Fascist leader; Griffiths here argues that Franco wouldn't understand a strict distinguishing of his own views from fascist), he was a fascist politician in the way that he presented himself as such: unlike Salazar and Tojo, he headed an actually existing fascist party (after doing some manipulations, but still); he actively portrayed himself as a Falangist and as a direct successor to Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera (I added that to the article), there's even a portrait painting of Franco depicting him in Falangist uniform. Ernst Nolte writes that Francoism was different from Salazarism, that the problem was that the Falange, a fascist party, was weaker than its less fascist allies, but it was still a fascist party (at least at first). It had been already in the article prior to my edits, that the FET-JONS weren't the only fascists in the war, since their ideology influenced the others, I expanded this theme by addind more scholars to his article saying that Francoism was either a fascism or had a totalitarian fascist phase, and that in the war, the whole Nationalist faction, including the army (and thus Franco) shared a sort of fascistic or proto-fascist ideological culture (that's on his personal beliefs) Opostylov (talk) 19:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It sharing "a sort of fascistic or proto-fascist ideological culture" does not align with WP:SIDEBAR, which suggests only articles that are clearly and strictly related to the sidebar topic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(the main one is that he presented himself as a fascist politician, unlike the other leaders who are said to had emulated fascism, like Tojo) Opostylov (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are too many things in this sidebar and it is wildly out of compliance with all of the relevant guidelines: do we need more people and make it more out of compliance? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:04, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to argue against sarcasm, but I don't agree that there are too many entries in the "Politicians" section of this sidebar, tho indeed, there are too many entries in the "Variants" section, and I would exclude Kokkashugi, Vichy-ism and Peronism, for example, but this is a topic for a different discussion; secondly, I don't think one more entry will destroy the sidebar; thirdly, adding Franco goes in line with the following guidelines:
"1.All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject. - [Franco does relate to fascism]
2.The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article. - [Fascism is mentioned in Franco's article, I added scholarly sources describing Franco as a fascist or at least a personality related to fascist politics]
3.The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. - [present, I think]
4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. - [present]
If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles." Opostylov (talk) 21:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not being sarcastic. This template as it stands now is violative of most policies we have on navigational templates. Most of the people included in this don't include the sidebar in their articles, which violates WP:BIDIRECTIONAL (Franco's article does not), and per WP:SIDEBAR: [Sidebars] should be treated with special attention, because they are so prominently displayed to readers. The collection of articles in a sidebar template should be fairly tightly related, and the template should meet most or all of the preceding guidelines. If the articles are not tightly related, a footer template or navbox, located at the bottom of the article, may be more appropriate. which this is in violation of... he is not connected to most of the other people listed. There are so many fascists that people simply adhering to fascism is not "tightly related", or this sidebar will have hundreds, perhaps thousands of people in it. I'm not really making this case against Franco specifically, he's a better fit than 90% of the people there, as much as I am against adding literally anyone when the sidebar is in this state. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you should start a new discussion topic then, cuz it's not directly related to this one, and the conclusion of this topic prob won't concern your matter; for now, we will note that you are not against adding Franco, if you make the new topic, I'll write there that the "Variants" needs to be cleaned Opostylov (talk) 09:49, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Opostylov, Franco is generally considered by scholarly sources a fascist and contrasted with other fascists, so it's reasonable to include him. Andre🚐20:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
