Template:Did you know nominations/Timoteo, "El Charro Negro"

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 00:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Timoteo, "El Charro Negro"

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... that mariachi musicians, like Timothy Pollard, the world's first musically-published African-American mariachi singer, come in all colours? Source: https://wearemitu.com/wearemitu/entertainment/meet-timoteo-el-charro-negro-a-nontraditional-mariachi-singer/
- ALT1: ... that Timothy Pollard is the world's first musically-published African-American mariachi singer? Source: https://wearemitu.com/wearemitu/entertainment/meet-timoteo-el-charro-negro-a-nontraditional-mariachi-singer/
- Nominator cpmment: I think this may be a good addition to highlight the beautiful diversity of music and it's cultivators, as well as recognize the interesting variable that community has in culture-building. Also, while for some reason the visual presentation states it is not a valid article name, it is a public and existant page, linked appropriately. It also does appear to follow the conventions described in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)
- Reviewed: This is a warts-and-all conversion of an abortive attempt at a nomination by the below author. (Consider installing User:SD0001/DYK-helper.)

Created by Chat-qui-Aboie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 288 past nominations.

Laun chba ller 20:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC).

Nominator comment: I apologize, but I am unsure what this means/entails. Is there anything else that I need to do, or something I need to correct? –– Chat-qui-Aboie (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Chat-qui-Aboie: You don't have to do anything but wait for a reviewer to pick this up, though I recommend installing User:SD0001/DYK-helper (the instructions are there).--Laun chba ller 16:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

This is not a review, but I have concerns about both hooks. The first hook seems to be more about mariachi music than the subject himself. This is also a "first" hook, so the sourcing for the claim has to be exceptional to prevent challenges. Otherwise, it might be safer to go with a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:01, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
Note to who reviews this: Although the page claims that the nominator is Launchballer, their role was just to convert an attempted nomination. The actual nominator is Chat-qui-Aboie, who does not have any prior nominations. As such, a QPQ is not required here. I may take a look at this within the next few days if no one else reviews this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:31, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Picking this up for review. The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I did not find any close paraphrasing. As this is the nominator's first nomination, no QPQ is required. Neither hook is suitable: the first hook is more about mariachi music than Timoteo himself. The second is a "first" hook, which requires strong sourcing. More importantly for the purposes of this review, the claim of him being a "first" is uncited. Due to this, a new hook will need to be proposed here, one that needs an entirely different angle. Inviting Launchballer to suggest some alternative options and/or to help Chat-qui-Aboie in proposing new hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:52, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm struggling to see much in here. What is your opinion of "that the mariachi musician "El Charro Negro" sometimes uses autotune"?--Laun chba ller 03:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Probably not too interesting given how autotune is very common in music these days. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chat-qui-Aboie: Are you still interested in pursuing this nomination and addressing the above concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:34, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

With no response from the nominator despite multiple pings here and messaging them on their talk page, it doesn't seem like they are interested in pursuing this nomination further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:44, 24 April 2025 (UTC)