Template:Did you know nominations/Philadelphia (Amman)

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle talk 18:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Philadelphia (Amman)

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8th century AD depiction of Philadelphia

... that the city of Philadelphia (depiction pictured) existed between the 3rd century BC and 7th AD as part of the Greek, Nabataean, Roman, and Byzantine realms, and today forms Jordan's capital of Amman?

Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Geography_Urbanisation_and_Settlement_Pa/2lI8DwAAQBAJ

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas J. Humes

Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2025 (UTC).

Interesting old city with a cute name, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the hook idea, but think it would be quirkier if not sooo explicit about Amman, capital of Jordan. Amman and Jordan should not be linked, per WP:OVERLINK, - that goes for the article as well. Can we perhaps say in a hook simply that it was Amman before and after? - The image is licensed, but doesn't depict a city (just one church) and remains rater abstract in that size. The caption should not duplicate the hook, - enough to say what it shows. Do you have another pic idea? - In the article, can you explain the "nickname" thingy? Please remove all items in the "see also" that are already linked, and see if anything left is worth the space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I have addressed your feedback. As for the hook, we can go for an extremely quirky

ALT1: ... that Amman was renamed Philadelphia (depicted) around 255 BC by a Greek ruler who earned the nickname Philadelphus for having married his sister?

The image was part of a mosaic that depicting the city by showing a church, so it is valid, and there are no good alternatives unfortunately. I think it would be a good match with this alt. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Amman was renamed Philadelphia (depicted) around 255 BC by a Greek ruler?

I like ALT1, better than the original, and formatted it a bit, to make it ready to picked by a promoter. I also made a shortened version, because - my experience - hooks these days may not have more than one thought ;) - I'm afraid the image might not be taken at all, - that's my concern. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: The shorter the better indeed; so here is ALT3 with four less words:

ALT3: ... that Amman was renamed Philadelphia (depicted) around 255 BC by a Greek ruler nicknamed Philadelphus for marrying his sister?

Given the lack of good alternatives, I think the picture could be pushed for, given the good quality of the article. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

ALT3 prefered. Or should it be "for having married"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Both grammatically correct, I think, so let's stay with the shorter version. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)