Template:Did you know nominations/Jorge Munoz (American football)

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle talk 17:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Jorge Munoz (American football)

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• ... that Jorge Munoz, who once mentored Michael Desormeaux, is now an assistant on Desormeaux's coaching staff at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette? Source:
  • ALT1: ... that, in two years of college football at Southwestern College in California, Jorge Munoz "rewrote virtually all of Southwestern's offensive record book"? Source:
  • Reviewed:

Created by JTtheOG (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

JTtheOG (talk) 09:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, but I suggest dropping all hooks except for maybe ALT1. ALT2 isn't that unusual, and the others only appeal to college football fans (a minority outside of the US, even in countries where American football has a following). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Also pinging BeanieFan11 for possible hook suggestions as ALT1 seems marginally interesting to me at best. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:08, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

From a quick glance (looking at the ALT0 hook), maybe something like ALT2: ... that American football coach Jorge Munoz is an assistant to a former player he coached? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I've modified it to say "American football" instead for the benefit of our non-North American readership. Pinging JTtheOG for their thoughts on the new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I definitely agree that BeanieFan11's suggestion is easier to understand than my original hook. JTtheOG (talk) 00:58, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 and JTtheOG: Thanks! Just one last thing. The current wording could be challenged by other editors per WP:DYKHOOK (the "unlikely to change" criterion). It's true now, but there's a chance it could change before promotion/running. A more future-proof wording may be needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

ALT2b:... that American football coach Jorge Munoz served as an assistant to a former player he coached? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

That looks great to me. Would it be considered bad form to do a piped link to Desormeaux? JTtheOG (talk) 07:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

It's optional. Ideally we try to avoid too many blue links in a hook to prevent viewership diversion, but it might not be harmful in this case. I'll leave it to you, and if there are any objections those can be sorted out in prep. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

In that case, I am fine with omitting the additional link. I suppose readers may click on the Munoz link or the reference for more information. JTtheOG (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• Thank you! I was originally going to review this myself, but the article is pretty dense so that might be a bit tough, so I'll leave the full review to another editor. I've struck all the other proposals, leaving just the most recent wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:17, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

I appreciate your help, as this is my first DYK nom. JTtheOG (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

This article, created on 21 Feb, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and presentable. No copyvio problems. However, JTtheOG Narutolovehinata5 I can't find the hook about Desormeaux (ALT2) in the article. It says Desormeaux was brought on as an assistant, but nothing abt Munoz being an assistant to Desormeaux. Tenpop421 (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for taking a look at this. The first source (The Athletic) identifies: 1. Desormeaux as having inherited the Louisiana head coach position from Billy Napier and 2. Munoz as being Louisiana's "new associate head coach and tight ends coach", both of which are assistant positions under a head coach on a staff. I should probably remove the quote from the ref, since you've correctly shown that it does not completely verify the claim. JTtheOG (talk) 19:21, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@JTtheOG: Thanks for the response, which admittedly goes over my head a little (I'm not awfully familiar with American football). Per WP:DYKHOOK, the hook has to be clearly in the article and with a citation at the end of the sentence. Can you make it obvious somewhere in the page, with citations? Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

• @JTtheOG: What's the status of this nomination?

@JTtheOG: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Not JTtheOG, but it seems all verified to me. We've got In his first season at the school, Munoz helped the team set program records for total offense (5,390 yards), passing offense (3,503 yards), and touchdowns (54) under head coach Rickey Bustle as quarterback Michael Desormeaux won the Sun Belt Offensive Player of the Year award and then In 2022, Munoz was named associate head coach and tight ends coach at Louisiana (previously Louisiana–Lafayette) under head coach Michael Desormeaux, who called Munoz "one of the key building blocks in the history of the Louisiana football program". He mentored Desormeaux as his quarterbacks coach at Louisiana and brought him onto the Ragin' Cajun coaching staff during his stint as offensive coordinator in 2016. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

My apologies; I tend to fall into rabbit holes on here sometimes and leave things pending. I've now removed the quotes from the sources. @Tenpop421: Do you mean the exact wording in the hook should be incorporated into the article? JTtheOG (talk) 03:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Tenpop421 and BeanieFan11: The nomination timed out a few days ago, are there still any issues left? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Two weeks ago I stated that everything was fine. Should I give the official 'tick' if Tenpop isn't available to? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't think you can since you proposed ALT2, even if it was basically a reword/simplification of ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, what are we going to do then? It'd be silly to have this rejected just because the reviewer is inactive... BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:46, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: ALT2 is a rewording of ALT0 with no new information. You could assess it yourself.--Launchballer 15:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, if that's the case, then . I had previously looked into this and found no issues, and the only issue found in the review by Tenpop was about the hook, which was addressed. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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