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  • ... that 19th-century Californian pioneer Cave Johnson Couts was acquitted thrice of attacking and murdering Indians, mourners at a funeral, and a former Mexican revolutionary, respectively?
  • Source: Cave Couts [...] was also a man with a violent temper [...] whipping two Indians [...] one of whom died [...] with an order to stop the funeral; when the party refused they fired into the crowd. One man died [...] he shot and killed Juan Mendoza, former majordomo at Rancho Guajome and a Mexican revolutionary. Mendoza [...] Couts secured a third acquittal. —-[1]
Created by Issac I Navarro (talk), Aaron Liu (talk), and Yuchitown (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Aaron Liu (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC).

  • How about something a bit more specific and tighter: that 19th-century Californian pioneer Cave Johnson Couts whipped a man to death, and was acquitted because one member of his jury was not a citizen? DS (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
    That seems far more mundane than the situation actually was as it omits that the whipped was also not a citizen. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
  • How about: that Cave Johnson Couts, who helped shape early San Diego agriculture, was also tried and acquitted for killing a Native laborer, firing on funeral mourners, and shooting a former revolutionary?
  • … that Cave Johnson Couts, a respected Californian judge and rancher, was thrice acquitted of killing men—including one at a funeral—despite overseeing forced Indigenous labor and corporal punishment on his estate?
  • … Cave Johnson Couts, a West Point–trained officer turned California judge, was acquitted of three killings—including one at a funeral—despite his record of violence and autocratic rule over Indigenous laborers? Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
    I like your first one: How about ALT8: that Cave Johnson Couts, a pioneer San Diego judge and rancher, was also separately acquitted for shooting a former revolutionary, firing on funeral mourners, and whipping a native laborer to death? The native labor case had him acquitted during the grand jury phase, i.e. it didn't go to trial. I'm also a bit concerned that "revolutionary" could be interpreted as an American revolutionary in the 1780s' war. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
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