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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 23:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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2023 Selma tornado

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  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirley A. Pomponi
  • Comment: Will do QPQ tomorrow, as it's getting relatively late over here. Feel free to reword hook. I wass initially going to go with "...that a historic tornado caused historic damage in a historic town?" but sadly couldn't find refs to back up the "historic tornado" part.
Created by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

EF5 00:44, 6 February 2025 (UTC).

  • Eight days? That's out of the window of a week and I don't see any connection beyond that in the source, beyond it happening "ahead of" the holiday. Can you find any other sources further connecting these events? Departure– (talk) 00:52, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
@Departure–: Not sure what you mean; Selma was a prominent civil rights town that MLK frequented. But alas, sure: An MLK Day Reflection In The Aftermath Of Selma’s EF2 Tornado, Residents in Selma, Ala., commemorate MLK day while recovering from tornadoes and Tornadoes rattle historic civil rights community of Selma, Alabama. Take your pick. :) EF5 00:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
@EF5: Alright, #1 is from a Forbes contributor (generally unreliable) and #3 doesn't connect much, but I do think that you can get a good hook from #2:

...that a 2023 tornado in Selma, Alabama that struck days before Martin Luther King day was described as bringing together the historically racially divided community that had been at the heart of the Civil Rights movement?

This goes over the prose limit for DYK, but if you approve of a hook in the same manner as this, we can get this condensed. Departure– (talk) 01:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Ooh, that sounds great. EF5 01:15, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
@Departure–: Are you still reviewing? EF5 17:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@EF5: Yes, but I'm waiting for you to finish your QPQ. Finish that up and I'll go on with my review. Departure– (talk) 17:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Finished. EF5 17:52, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@EF5: Other than that, the article is new enough, QPQ now done, long enough and seems neutral and well-sourced. The fact just needs to be put in the article. If you're using the one I suggested, it's the PBS source that I took it from. I can condense it down to:

... that Selma, a racially divided community and the origin of the Civil Rights era marches to Montgomery, was described as being brought together by a 2023 tornado that stuck days before MLK day?

Barring any objection, we can go with this. Departure– (talk) 18:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Added. :) EF5 18:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@EF5: Well, by adding it to the article, I didn't exactly mean copy and pasting the hook into there. It still needs attribution to who said it, and it should be cleaned up a bit in general. Departure– (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it, but please tell me if I'm wrong. EF5 18:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Seems fine, but forgive me for not checking before, but there were three marches. It's marches, plural. Change it there and then we'll be good to go. Departure– (talk) 18:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Fixed. EF5 18:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Here's your checkmark: good to go, on the hook ... that Selma, a racially divided community and the origin of the Civil Rights era marches to Montgomery, was described as being brought together by a 2023 tornado that stuck days before MLK day?
@EF5 and Departure–: In the article "brought together" is in quotes, but I don't see that phrase in the cited article. Also, how is the article describing the tornado as bringing the town together? Rjjiii (talk) 00:59, 5 March 2025 (UTC) Question icon dropped as unrelated hooks have been approved. MOS:SCAREQUOTE issues can be resolved in the article and are not a dealbreaker for DYK. 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
Can I get a second opinion on whether the original hook I suggested looks fine? The approved one is also creating issues at the GAN; it would have been much easier if the original was approved; the Forbes source is from a person with a PhD in meteorology. EF5 12:47, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
Also pinging @Departure–:. EF5 12:55, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
(that's a whole lot of indents, but) Yeah, I do think the Forbes source is accessible. Per RSP, Editors show consensus for treating Forbes.com contributor articles as self-published sources, unless the article was written by a subject-matter expert, which we have now proven he is. I think the first and original hook is factual but a bit lacking in the DYKINT elements, whereas the second one is a bit long-winded and would need more elaboration in the article than we've gotten so far. Departure– (talk) 16:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: is this resolved? Just passed GA. EF5 21:35, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
@EF5: Where is "brought together" in the cited source? Rjjiii (talk) 02:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
Rjjiii, I was asking if the original hook proposed (the MLK one) is good-to-go. Other hooks proposed are creating issues and that one's the most solid. EF5 19:59, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
At 192 characters, that hook is on the long side and very close to the 200-character limit. Could that be shortened? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:19, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
@Narutoolovehinata5: "... that Selma, Alabama, known for the Civil Rights marches that were attended by Martin Luther King Jr., was damaged by a tornado just eight days before MLK Day?" How's that look? EF5 13:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
Repinging @Narutolovehinata5: since I screwed up the last one. EF5 13:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
It's a lot shorter but still a bit too wordy for my tastes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:33, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
This is one of those hooks where removing any more info (I personally think it's fine as being well below the limit) would compromise interestingness and the ability to clearly understand the hook. You could remove the "Civil Rights" and "just", but other than that it's as short as I can get it. EF5 13:37, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
We can probably go with that, perhaps with some kind of piped link for "marches". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Almost to the airport back home (it’s a connection flight, though) so assuming my flight isn’t delayed a horrendous amount like last time (8 hours!?) I can probably get to any comments today, and maybe even using mobile if I want to suffer enough. :) EF5 09:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
@EF5 and Narutolovehinata5: Hopefully the flight goes smoothly. Following up from above ↑ the hook fact still seems to have wrong source cited in the article. Rjjiii (talk) 13:43, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
I see this only now. A hook was proposed above and found too long, I give it a number:
ALT0a: ... that Selma, Alabama, known for the Civil Rights marches that were attended by Martin Luther King Jr., was damaged by a tornado just eight days before MLK Day?
It could be trimmed further:
ALT0b: ... that a 2023 tornado damaged Selma, Alabama, known for Civil Rights marches attended by Martin Luther King Jr., just eight days before MLK Day?
building on Departure's review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
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