Talk:Villawood

On 22 July 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Villawood, New South Wales to Villawood. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Page move

This page was moved from "Villawood" to "Villawood, New South Wales" as per the naming convention set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) -- Ianblair23 23:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 July 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. multipage per consesnus. (closed by non-admin page mover) TiggerJay (talk) 07:13, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification, the pending RfC was considered when closing this discussion, and additional information about how that was considered can be found here. TiggerJay (talk) 18:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– As far as I can tell Villawood, New South Wales is the only place with the name Villawood, which would make it the WP:PTOPIC. The other articles currently listed at the disamb page Villawood are a railway station and an immigration detention centre, both of which are in Villawood. TarnishedPath^talk 11:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Australian places and WikiProject Sydney have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 11:49, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion needs to wait until this discussion is resolved. Renaming articles due to WP:PTOPIC is part of that discussion. Innesw (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That discussion is most likely heading to a no-consensus outcome. Editors are more than capable of discussing this on the basis of guidelines and policies as they exist now. TarnishedPath^talk 00:22, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The other two items on the list are places in Villawood. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 5 August 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Villawood be renamed and moved to Villawood, New South WalesVillawood, New South Wales.

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Villawood → Villawood, New South WalesVillawood, New South Wales – The previous discussion noted that there is an existing disambiguation page for Villawood, however it was determined that the suburb is the WP:PTOPIC. However, this is not reflected in the page view statistics. These indicate the Villawood Immigration Detention Centre (IDC) receives significantly more traffic.[1][2] Furthermore, searches of Trove (since 1990) indicate that the facility has been frequently referred to as just "Villawood" by many National publications for several decades. [3][4][5][6]. Searching the term in Google news also returns many articles that are referring to happenings in the suburb "Villawood", however these are overwhelmingly from Sydney-based media oulets. It also returns many articles about the IDC from national and international sources. Given the above, WP:PT1 would suggest as that name recognition of Villawood is much higher for the detention centre over the suburb to readers outside of Sydney, so the disambiguation page is a more appropriate target and this page should be moved back to Villawood, New South Wales. Dfadden (talk) 08:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural comment: I have opened this RM at the suggestion of Tiggerjay (talk · contribs) who declined to reopen the previous discussion as they consider there was clear consensus to move based on arguments presented (see above).

Note to closer: There is an open RfC at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#  RfC: The convention for naming Australian place articles that concerns WP:NCAUST, which is relevant to this discussion. Please review prior to closing this RM.

Dfadden (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Australian places, WikiProject Sydney and Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board have been notified of this discussion. Dfadden (talk) 09:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per WP:PTOPIC, WP:NCAUST and WP:CONCISE. Villawood is the only suburb with its name. The other two entries at Villawood (disambiguation) are in the suburb of Villawood and would different names if they weren't. Anyone who inadvertently ends up on the suburb article is easily directed to the disamb page via a hatnote which is at the top of the page. TarnishedPath^talk 09:26, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Innesw and @Necrothesp from the prior discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 09:27, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - as the prior closing RM, this is simply a few comment, as to not appear to be a supervote. The role of closing is not to interject personal opinion or positions, especially if they were not raised in the disucssion itself, but rather identifying consensus. However, since this RM has been brought up again, with new evidence provided by a contributor who was not involved in the prior RM, let me share my personal opinions on this: (1) I do tend to agree with SMcCandlish's comments at the RfC, however the RfC itself is still pending - but would seem to support this current RM if consensus fell that way; (2) However, I do not agree with the nom's suggestion that the detention center would carry as PTOPIC for Villawood, as headlines are often use unnaturally short terms, and in the body of the articles always disambiguate that they are talking about the detention center, often using its full name -- failing WP:COMMONNAME and thus the page views are irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiggerjay (talk • contribs) 17:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just for clarification, I am not necessarily suggesting that the Villawood IDC should be considered PTOPIC, rather that the evidence presented, suggests that the suburb is not more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. That would mean there is no primary topic. In such cases If no primary topic exists, then the term should be the title of a disambiguation page. Dfadden (talk) 20:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]