Talk:Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines

The game's time-frame

Seems like the 80s or early 90s not 21st century. Look at the computers! 2600:1012:B147:3F8A:DD02:B0DA:738D:2DF0 (talk) 05:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Jeanette's design

Hi. I have read somewhere that Jeanette's design appearently served as an inspiration for DC character Harley Quinn's modern design. Is there any truth to this? Are there any official reliable sources confirming this or anything? Thanks in advance for the reply. 85.24.174.14 (talk) 20:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Endings

In the description of the game's endings, it looks like one ending is exclusive to the Tremere clan, which is not entirely true. This ending can also be reached by other clans, although the conditions for this are quite specific. Essentially one has to gain Maximilian Strauss' trust, which is obviously much easier for a Tremere. In order to do so one has to visit him quite early, fulfill his part of the plaguebearer quest (and choose the correct reward from him...), learn about gargoyles, then later ask Strauss about the one in Hollywood and do his gargoyle quest. Also one must always be polite to Strauss and neither join the Anarchs nor betray any of Strauss' secrets to anybody else. Easy to miss one of these conditions. --141.113.242.115 (talk) 08:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

dash

Why is the page using the long – dash instead of regular - dash ? I don't see any other website using that. --Nesciuse (talk) 09:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 21 May 2025

Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines → Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines – that's the proper title of this game used everywhere Nesciuse (talk) 09:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, no evidence provided that it's used "everywhere" and it certainly isn't used everywhere from a quick Google search, but also, that's not how hyphens are used. It's likely used interchangeably because most people won't know how to make an en-dash when writing an article or don't even know the difference, so there are immediate Google results that alternatively use a hyphen or en-dash. Even the official VTMB 2 site uses them interchangeably in text and credits here. But the short version is that a hyphen is for joining compound words, not a break in a title (unless the title contains, say, "Spider-Man"), that's what an en-dash is for. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:31, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Steam and gog store pages using hyphen in the title and everywhere is good indication that hyphen is the intended symbol in the title. Just because there are few cases where en dash is used doesn't change a thing as its minority --Nesciuse (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

This does not address my points, your statement is theory and WP:OR. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

What points ? The title has hyphen in it. End of story. That's what the store pages use. That's how game is in steam library. That's the directory in which it's saved. Nothing more to prove. This page was randomly moved by someone in 2008 from using hyphen to en dash. Where did they prove anything ? --Nesciuse (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per MOS:EMDASH, which states "In article titles, do not use a hyphen (-) as a substitute for an en dash, for example in eye–hand span (since eye does not modify hand). Nonetheless, to aid searching and linking, provide a redirect with hyphens replacing the en dash(es), as in eye-hand span.. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

as a substitute for an en dash you missing this part or what. This is not substitute for en dash in this case. It's the literal name --Nesciuse (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

It's not something to be aggressive about. You've yet to provide evidence of any official name outside of marketplaces, which doesn't dispute my statement above, plus you've ignored that the official website uses them interchangeably. As a further example, GOG uses a hyphen, then refers to the game as "Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines" in the description, adding a further grammatical change. They aren't perfect. The steam version of Werewolf: The Apocalypse — The Book of Hungry Names uses the em-dash, for instance. In fact, most of the games swap back and forth as seen here, but adding an em-dash takes more effort than a hyphen, indicating it's the correct one. The fact is that outside of online editing platforms like Wikipedia that let you click a button to add an em-dash, most people won't know how to make an em-dash when typing and it's also hard to tell the difference since the only distinction is length. Hyphens are also better for website SEO and can cause technical issues, sometimes being separted into two dashes. Hyphens are not used in the manner that would be acceptable in the title of a piece of work outside of the scenario I outlined above. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Aggressive ? I only pointed out whatever that person quoted doesn't support his point in any way. What sort of evidence do you actually want ? And where was the evidence when the page was moved from hyphen to en dash in the first place ? Steam using hyphen is plenty reason to use hyphen. For bloodlines 2 Every single listed store on the official website uses hyphen, their facebook page uses hyphen, youtube trailers and descriptions use hyphen, every occurence on their website uses hyphen except like the single one you pointed out. --Nesciuse (talk) 01:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)