Talk:University School

Hair-cutting incident

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Although indeed tragic, I doubt this qualifies as one of the 4 or 5 milestone events in the school's history, in a short article. Also, the item is out of chronological order and one of the footnote links is broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.161.23 (talk) 23:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: and other editors I agree that the paragraph relating to this hair cutting tragedy should be cut because, despite the tragedy of suicide, this matter cannot be connected to the school. The author of the cited op-ed, Barry Shlachter, writes of an incident at the school, in which a boy Steve Andrews had his hair cut by upper classmen. Shlachter writes: "I don't know how much, or how little, the incident affected him, or if the nonpunishment of the graduating seniors added to what he might have felt. We never discussed it. But I sensed that a spark inside him died." In fact, it was only after Andrews left US, "attended Shaker Heights High School, then briefly went to college out West before dropping out...received his draft notice, and the day or so before he was to report to the Army, he took a pistol from his home and put an end to his young life." Despite having cited this information, it cannot be tied directly to the school. I attended US and was looking for something on their Wikipedia page, happened upon this, and decided to read further (as Wikipedia causes many people to do). Upon reading the article I realized that it cannot be directly connected to the school. In fact, Schlacter says this himself writing: "There is no way of knowing if the bullying contributed to Steve's downward spiral and suicide. While I cannot prove a connection, my heart links them." The tragedy purported by this article never struck the school as was claimed by User:UniversitySchool08. Thank you. Aeroplanepics0112 (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Having read the source, an op-ed, written by Bob Shlachter, this paragraph falls under Wikipedia:Content_removal's Inaccurate information, Irrelevant information, and Inappropriate content for Wikipedia. This text, and article it comes from, is intended to give one's personal point of view of the subject, a subject that simply cannot be connected to the school upon reading the article. Read the cited article before making further edits related to this paragraph. Aeroplanepics0112 (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

There is another source, which you are totally disregarding. It may well be this needs to go. But as it has been there for a lengthy time, there is no urgency in removing it. Wait until there is a consensus, which I remind you is not a vote but an agreement. John from Idegon (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: This source, which I totally disregard is a dead link...Aeroplanepics0112 (talk) 21:39, 9 July 2018 (UTC) https://www.star-telegram.com/2012/05/16/3965889/shlachter-high-school-bullying.html

In addition, dead link or not, the source has the same author. The source that does work is an op-ed. There are lots of events in the school's history that are of real importance that are not mentioned here. This suicide, as mentioned in Shlachter's article is not related to the school but for Sclachter's "heart link[ing] them." Andrews committed suicide years after the school, so it cannot be said that the two are connected. This event is and was not a major event in school history. Just because there has been inaction by editors does not mean the information is correct, nor does it mean it isn't urgent. As well, verifiability is based upon whether reliable sources exist, rather than the state of sourcing in articles and while there is actually quite a lot of true and sourceable information out in this world, it does not mean that it belongs on Wikipedia. This information, taken from an op-ed, is sourceable and possibly true, but is a stretch of the truth per the author's claims/beliefs and nothing more. The author cannot prove the suicide to be a result of University School, thus it cannot be considered a major school event. Should there be more substantial coverage on the issue other than Sclachter's coverage, then it may be notable, but until then there is no proof that Andrews suicide was a result of any bullying at school and there is no proof that the school drastically changed its disciplinary policies thereafter.Aeroplanepics0112 (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

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