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Change “Turkish people or Turks (Turkish: Türkler) are a Turkic people who speak various dialects of the Turkish language and form a majority in Turkey and Northern Cyprus.” to “ Turkish people or Turks (Turkish: Türkler) are a Turkic people who speak various dialects of the Turkish language and form a majority in Turkey.” “Northern Cyprus”, or the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” is not a country and should not be spoken about as such. 68.33.159.214 (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: That is not a legitimate reason to change the sentence. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About Ak-Sika Claim

Ak-sika does not mean White Fortress in any Turkic languages. This theory claimed by Fahrettin Kırzıoğlu, his theories considered as Pseudo-Turcology in modern literature. His claims cover topics like Turkishness of Kurds, Hamshenian Armenians, Laz people and Georgians in Turkey. Rime (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remaking the infobox (just a suggestion)

I recommend a change to the info box of this page. Update it with the newest information available. Also instead of directing you to the country of where said Turks live, it should redirect to a Wikipedia page of specifically the Turks who live in that country. (Example clicking on Macedonia in the infobox should in my opinion show you Macedonian Turks and not just the country of North Macedonia.) BulgarianSemite (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

could you also update the 'religion' in the infobox? it clearly negates the christian turks (like Autocephalous Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate or protestants)83.9.115.168 (talk) 01:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of Sourced Content

What exactly is the reason why an advanced editor Besogur reverted my version? Nifushi (talk) 10:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove the excessive Chinese sources used. See WP:NONENG. Also see WP:Article size. Excessive Chinese etymology could also be WP:UNDUE.

You are also adding too short, one or two sentence paragraphs, why? See MOS:PARA. Bogazicili (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nifushi, I am also concerned about misrepresentation of sources. Where does "and people from Turkestan region" come from two sources in the text in this edit [1]

I have:

Kushner:

... peasant or nomad of Anatolia.

Meeker:

... to a Muslim Anatolian villager or a Turcoman nomad.

Turcoman nomad may simply refer to Yörüks? Bogazicili (talk) 19:42, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bogazicili I took Chinese translation from Göktürks. Contextually, it is kinda necessary to keep this in Göktürks as a historical reference but I see no problem if you want to remove it from here.

Yörük is a coined term for Western Anatolian branch of Turcomans, created by the Ottomans to distinguish their Turcomans from Iran Shah's Eastern Turcomans.

They are the same thing, and I believe Turcoman is a lot more widely used by Oghuz Turks during Ottoman Empire. Not every Turcoman is a Yörük but every Yörük is a Turcoman at the end of the day.

From H. Inalcik's (2015) "Rumors and Truths of Otttoman Empire" p. 38

During Ottomans, collective term used for Turkoman tribes was "Yörük." Ottoman bureaucrats, concerned with distinguishing their own Turkmens from the Shah-loyal Kızılbaş Turkmens, adopted the blanket term "Yörük" for their Turkomans.

That being said, "and people from Turkestan region" comes from study of Moosa Matti (February 1, 1988).^[1] I read it from Anti-Turkish sentiment.

Matti Mosa:

To the Ottomans, "Turk" was a name that belonged to the people of Turkestan and nomadic hordes who roamed the steppes of Khurasan...

I thought I read the same thing in Kushner's article. I will add Mosa's study now. Thanks for letting me know. Nifushi (talk) 20:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your source is Extremist Shiites: The Ghulat Sects p. 430, a 1988 book. That is such a random page from a random source. It's not an overview source. Sources such as this [2] are specifically about identity in Turkey. I would say using such random sources such as Extremist Shiites: The Ghulat Sect in Turkish_people#Definition is WP:UNDUE. Please find an overview source about Turkish people, or Turkey, or Ottoman Empire.

We have the same issue with another one of your edit, when you added content using Ottoman Maritime Wars, 1416–1700 [3]. This also seems WP:UNDUE. Ottoman Empire was of course multi-ethnic but please find an overview source, such as history of Ottoman Empire, or a book specifically about identity issues in Ottoman Empire.

Given the issues above, I'll be reverting the recent changes. Given that you are a new editor, and we are already having so many issues, please make any further suggestions in talk page first before editing the article. Bogazicili (talk) 10:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ Moosa, Matti (February 1, 1988). Extremist Shiites: The Ghulat Sects. Syracuse University Press. p. 430. ISBN 978-0-8156-2411-0 – via Google Books.

[1] Moosa, Matti (February 1, 1988). Extremist Shiites: The Ghulat Sects. Syracuse University Press. p. 430. ISBN 978-0-8156-2411-0 – via Google Books.

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