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On 8 April 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Thitinart Na Pattalung to Ddnard Napattalung. The result of the discussion was moved.

Page Name Change

The name change is necessary because "Ddnard Napattalung" is the official name of the subject. She uses the name as her author name and on her social media. It is basically similar to stage name of many singers/musicians such as Madonna or Lady Gaga. You can check her website, social media and news articles such as below:

Sabrinagabby (talk) 09:48, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia doesn't necessarily follow what people and organizations call themselves; see WP:Official names. We follow what independent English-language reliable sources commonly use. The examples you listed (the links a broken, by the way) are promotional pieces, and Google search results for DDnard are likewise mostly promotion for her The Compass of Now book. On the other hand, sources taking a critical look into her career mostly use her real name, e.g. the Bangkok Post[1][2], The Nation[3], and some Thai journal articles[4][5].

There is some independent coverage that uses her pen name e.g. [6], but this must be shown to constitute the majority of sources for it to be used as the article title. Please consider starting a WP:requested move discussion to invite further input. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I inserted URL's incorrectly. Please try them again now. Also here a couple more

financialcontent.com

soullove.com/

I get what you are saying, but she is better known with the name Ddard now and how she uses her own name on Social media, her website and press releases.

Take look at example with Gordo (DJ), who changed his name from Carnage. He has in fact more news articles with the name Carnage if you count the names in the existing references, but his Wikipedia page reflects his new name. Sabrinagabby (talk) 02:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For name changes, there's WP:Naming conventions (people)#Self-published name changes to consider. More recent reliable sources should be given more weight, but the problem with the examples given, as mentioned above, is that nearly all of it is paid promotion, so unlikely to be regarded as reliable. This is my take, of course. You'll likely get wider input from a Requested Move. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed an issue with the current page title, and after conducting research, I believe the page title should be changed to Ddnard Na Pattalung as it aligns with both the Wikipedia (WP) and Wikimedia Commons (WC) guidelines.

The Common Name rule refers to using names that are widely known and understood by the general public, avoiding overly technical or formal names. As per international media, her name is consistently referred to as Ddnard Na Pattalung.

Here are some references supporting this name change:

Since 2014, she has been interviewed by Lucy Moore from the UK, where her name was presented as Ddnard: Female First article. https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/books/ddnard-the-compass-of-now-448075.html

Since 2024, her name is officially presented as Dr. Ddnard Na Pattalung: The Globe and Mail article.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/markets/markets-news/GetNews/29388655/from-tibet-to-thailand-spiritual-leaders-facing-adversity-to-share-authentic-wisdom/

On December 31, 2025, in a Spanish-language article, she is briefly referred to as Dr. DD: UCODigital article.

https://www.ucodigital.com.ar/noticias/sarah-ferguson-publica-un-clip-de-interaccion-paga-en-instagram-conectando-una-aplicacion-de-salud-mental-despues-de-que-el-rey-carlos-cortara-al-principe-andres/132805/

Since December 31, 2024, news reported that Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, is partnering with the Zoul mediation app, of which Ddnard is a co-founder: Hello Magazine article.

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/738696/sarah-ferguson-reappears-after-christmas-with-andrew-new-video/

Since January 1, 2025, another news article mentions Sarah Ferguson welcoming the New Year with a tribute to her collaborations, including the partnership with Ddnard: The News article.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1267500-sarah-ferguson-welcomes-2025-with-subtle-tribute-to-two-royal-

On January 5, 2025, a UK article clearly refers to her as Ddnard who is Co-Founder of Zoul app: Evrimagaci article.

https://evrimagaci.org/tpg/prince-andrew-faces-scrutiny-while-sarah-ferguson-champions-mental-health-142531?srsltid=AfmBOoroJHptooVsY-5x_F9HptiLLLoEClY7j_WXiQar1t8No1gXPQkY

As observed from international news coverage between 2014 and 2025, the name "Thitinart" is neither mentioned nor recognized internationally. In contrast, the name "Ddnard" is widely recognized globally, both as her official and common name. Therefore, since this is the name by which she is most commonly known, particularly on English Wikipedia, I strongly believe the page title should reflect this as "Ddnard Na Pattalung." English Wikipedia should prioritise using internationally recognised names for better accuracy and consistency. Bruce789J (talk) 08:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the additional comments. I'm still not seeing much that isn't paid promotion, but it would be good to let others weigh in. As previously mentioned, please follow the instructions at WP:RSPM to start the Requested Move discussion process. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for your opinion, I don' think it is paid promotion , It is the nation news and well known of UK, The Duchess of York news, I don't think it is paid promotion like hello magazine or others. Bruce789J (talk) 08:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

Requested move 8 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a general consesnsus to move per OFICIAL and COMMONNAME. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thitinart Na Pattalung → Ddnard Napattalung – Ddnard Napattalung is her real, official government name - not simply a name she identifies by, and as outlined in the other Talk topic, many different news sources use that name to refer to her Emzed8 (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is essentially a WP:self-published name change, but the problem is that I'm not seeing any recent reliable sources that could support use of the new spelling as the subject's personal name (rather than DDnard alone as a pseudonym, which some older sources do). There are UK company filings[7] that show that she does use that spelling in official documents, but everything else appears to be paid promotion, as I mentioned above. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:36, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, you acknowledge that UK company filings show that she uses that spelling in official documents, and I've mentioned how that is her government name, and yet you say it's a self-published name change/self promotion? That doesn't make any sense to me. Emzed8 (talk) 12:50, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those are different things. Self-published name changes is part of Wikipedia's naming conventions. A new name should be adopted by reliable sources before Wikipedia uses it. So far the only sources that use it, like the Globe and Mail article, all appear to be promotional ones.

The business directory only tells us how she spells it so it doesn't count for this purpose, other than to confirm that it's used in official documents. This would be easier if it was a minor spelling variation like Thitinart vs Dhitinart, but "Ddnard" is a significant change that needs further scrutiny. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Reposting and consolidating key points from my earlier comment and additional support remarks made by other editors above. This is to ensure that supporting rationale and sources are clearly visible within the official RM discussion.)

**Support** – I support renaming the article from *Thitinart Na Pattalung* to *Ddnard Napattalung*, based on consistent and verifiable public use of this name across professional, legal, and English-language contexts. This aligns with Wikipedia’s core naming policies, including [WP:COMMONNAME](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_common_names), [WP:NPOV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view), and [WP:CONSISTENCY](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Consistency).

1. **Book Cover Attribution** She is publicly credited as *Dr. Ddnard Na Pattalung* on the cover of the published book *Wealth of Wisdom*, which is available through mainstream ebook platforms: 🔗 [Wealth of Wisdom – MebMarket](https://www.mebmarket.com/ebook-170857-Wealth-of-Wisdom-ความมั่งคั่งแห่งปัญญา) This demonstrates formal, published usage of the name “Ddnard”.

2. **International Media Usage** The name “Ddnard” has been used in English-language media since at least 2014. For example, *Female First UK*, a UK-based media outlet, featured a full interview with her under that name: 🔗 [Female First UK Interview (2014)](https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/books/ddnard-the-compass-of-now-448075.html) The article is authored by a staff journalist and is not marked as promotional content, satisfying the criteria under [WP:INTERVIEWS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Interviews) for reliable sourcing. This shows that “Ddnard” is not only used locally, but also recognised in UK-based, English-language media — reinforcing its status as a globally used public identity.

3. **Official UK Business Documentation** Her name, *Ddnard Napattalung*, appears in official UK business filings, affirming its use in legal and professional records. (*Other editors have provided citations for these documents above.*)

4. **Alignment with Wikipedia Naming Policies** This proposed title change aligns with key Wikipedia naming standards:

- **[WP:COMMONNAME](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_common_names)** – “Ddnard Napattalung” is the most widely used name for the subject in English-language contexts and publications.

- **[WP:NPOV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view)** – Using the publicly recognised name reflects a neutral, encyclopaedic approach and avoids overemphasising the legal name that is rarely used in English sources.

- **[WP:CONSISTENCY](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Consistency)** – Many public figures (e.g., *Lady Gaga*, *Gordo*, *Malala*) are titled according to the name best known to readers, regardless of legal or birth name.

- **[WP:INTERVIEWS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Interviews)** – Interviews published in editorially-controlled outlets (such as *Female First*) are valid sources for how a subject is identified, particularly when authored by staff writers and not marked as promotional.

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**Conclusion:** Renaming the article to *Ddnard Napattalung* would ensure clarity, recognisability, and alignment with Wikipedia’s established naming practices. It reflects how the subject is known internationally and provides readers with the most accurate and accessible reference. Bruce789J (talk) 11:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT HERE is mention of proposed name "Ddnard Napattalung" and website www.drddnard.com. This could not be self-published.--37.15.245.96 (talk) 18:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support . Almost all sources in articles are showing the name DDnard, like frostmagazine and Female First, etc. --172.222.128.118 (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Support for Proposed Name Change

I would like to reaffirm that the consideration of a name used to refer to an individual should be based on factual evidence of how that name is officially used and how it is recognized by the public. In the case of Ddnard Napattalung, not only is this name used in her official business and legal documents in the United Kingdom, but it is also internationally known. Numerous global sources acknowledge and refer to her by this name, reflecting its broad public recognition.

Wikipedia's naming conventions should reflect accurate and current information. According to the policy WP:COMMONNAME, the name used in an article should be the one by which the person is most commonly known. Given the clear evidence that Ddnard Napattalung is widely used both in official documents and in public recognition, it is appropriate to update her Wikipedia article's name to Ddnard Napattalung to reflect the most accurate and up-to-date information.

Neutrality and Balance (WP:NPOV): Using the name Ddnard Napattalung promotes a neutral viewpoint by reflecting the most commonly used and recognized name across a spectrum of independent sources. This approach avoids biases associated with less frequently used names and aligns with the encyclopedic tone and content neutrality required by Wikipedia.

Precedents and Consistency (WP:CONSISTENCY): There are precedents on Wikipedia for updating article names to reflect widely recognized names that may differ from birth names, especially when the subject is predominantly known by the new name. This practice includes artists and public figures who are widely recognized by their stage or professional names.

In conclusion, changing the article title to Ddnard Napattalung would provide clarity, enhance the article’s relevance and accuracy, and align the title with the name that is globally recognized and verifiably associated with her public and professional identity.

I look forward to the community's insights and am open to further discussions to refine this proposal.

Thank you for considering this change. Bruce789J (talk) 18:19, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support the proposed name change to Ddnard Napatalung.

This is the name used widely in professional and public settings. For example, she is credited as the editor under the name “Dr. Ddnard Na Pattalung” on the cover of the published book *Wealth of Wisdom*. The book is available on official platforms such as MebMarket:

https://www.mebmarket.com/ebook-170857-Wealth-of-Wisdom-%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%B1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%AB%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%B2

Using “Ddnard Napatalung” as the article title would align with the name that appears most frequently in trusted sources, consistent with Wikipedia’s WP:COMMONNAME guideline.

Sirinany (talk) 10:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]