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NPOV tag

I have placed an NPOV template on this article. The phrasing "to which all Palestinian factions must pledge fealty" is a clearly normative statement that does not square with WP:NPOV. I have not had the opportunity to examine the sources, but if the associated citation describes the PNC as employing such language, then the article should reflect that that is the statement of the PNC (as opposed to now, where it is stated as encyclopedic fact). An NPOV section tag would have been equally appropriate here, but given that the article is a stub, the NPOV tag is its functional equivalent. Ergo Sum 23:23, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the news

NYT: "The increasingly revolutionary tilt of the student movement reflects an internal push among many pro-Palestinian groups to align their goals with principles known as the Thawabet, crafted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1977." Prezbo (talk) 04:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does the Thawabit actually consist of?

This article says that it consists of the following principles:

the right to resistance,
the right to self-determination (statehood),
Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, and
the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands in what is today Israel (in accordance with UNGA 194)^[1]

The cited source is paywalled so I can't check it.

This book gives a different version. This Twitter account gives another one. I'm guessing the answer depends on who you ask, since the Thawabit isn't a formal written document per se. But this is Wikipedia-level knowledge from me. I can't find much in the way of primary sources online. Does anyone who actually knows the topic want to weigh in? As stated above the Thawabit is popping up in Western protest politics so this matters more than it might have a year ago.

^ Elgindy, Khaled (January 13, 2016). "Lost in the Chaos: The Palestinian Leadership Crisis". The Washington Quarterly. 38 (4): 133–150. doi:10.1080/0163660X.2015.1125834. S2CID 155985257. Retrieved January 2, 2021.

Prezbo (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Full quotes from paywalled articles

Here's the quote from the Elgindy article (I found it through the Wikipedia Library):

"The latter is officially embodied in the thawabet (“fundamentals”), a set of supra-constitutional principles representing the core issues of national consensus and to which all Palestinian factions must pledge fealty: including the right to resistance, the right to self-determination (statehood), Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, and the right of Palestinian refugees to return (in accordance with UNGA 181)."

From the Shaked article:

"In 1977, the Palestinian National Council coined a new idiomatic expression to describe the Palestinian goals in the conflict: “Thawabit,” namely, the firm, just, and unchangeable principles and goals.3 The Thawabit are protected values, red lines, which the Palestinian society with all its diverse parts, the PLO and its factions, adopted as goals that cannot be compromised or surrendered, and no leader has the right or authority to change them.4 The Thawabit have become the cornerstones of the ethos of conflict of the Palestinian society, featuring prominently in all cultural products, in the media, in the speeches of leaders,5 in official documents,6 in text- books, and notably in the daily life of the Palestinian society.7 The Thawabit are consensual, dominant, and hegemonic in the Palestinian society including Hamas.8

The following are the Palestinian Thawabit:

The establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital.9
The right to self-determination.
The right of return of the Palestinian refugees according to the international and

Arab resolutions.

Release of all the Palestinians prisoners from the Israeli jails.
Since 2012, in response to Israeli demands, the objection to recognize the State

of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people was added to the Thawabit.10

Although The Thawabit were formulated in 1977, they were the demands of the Palestinians since the early 1920s. The demand to establish an independent Palestinian state was the first article in the resolution of the third Palestinian Congress in 1920, and since then, it has become a permanent and constant demand. It was demanded in the uprising of 1929 and in the Palestinian revolt of 1936, it was the main demand of the All-Palestinian Government in 1948, and it appeared in the Palestinian charter as well as in all the resolutions of Palestinian National Council (PNC) and the PA. Thus the Thawabit became instruments enabling the Palestinian leadership to adjust their demands according to the level of the conflict and the possibility of its resolution.

Prezbo (talk) 10:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Elgindy, Khaled (January 13, 2016). "Lost in the Chaos: The Palestinian Leadership Crisis". The Washington Quarterly. 38 (4): 133–150. doi:10.1080/0163660X.2015.1125834. S2CID 155985257. Retrieved January 2, 2021.

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