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Citation overload

Does the first sentence defining telecommunications really need 6 citations? —Salton Finneger (talk) 13:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Radio and TV

Radio and TV are not telecommunication as signals only pass one way. These are broadcast systems. Your defn specifies exchange of info.

The word telecommunication was adapted from the French word télécommunication. It is a compound of the Greek prefix tele- (τηλε-), meaning 'far off', and communication, meaning 'exchange of information'.[2]

my bolding --Light current 15:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The definition you highlighted was that of communication. If your argument was accepted this would make your term "broadcast communication" an oxymoron. I would suggest broadcast communication is a subset of telecommunications as implied in the article. Both broadcast and point-to-point communication are based on similar technical foundations. Cedars 00:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant broadcast systems. --Light current 00:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Look changing what you have written to substantiate some argument you are attempting to make is not going to work. The discussion of broadcast communication fits within the telecommunication article. Can you not think of any other suggestions on how to improve the article? Cedars 00:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Broadcast communication" an oxymoron--Light current 01:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Broadcast communication is widely used (see Haykin). There is no need to remove this content. Cedars 01:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you give more info on Haykin?--Light current 03:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Haykin, Simon (2001). Communication Systems (4th edition ed.). John Wiley & Sons. pp. pp 1—3. ISBN 0-471-17869-1. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); |pages= has extra text (help)

Sorry, does anyone think the description of television is first scientific (technology description), and then reads like someone trying to sell you a television. The second description is borderline calling it magical. The statement can also be true for radio, or the internet. Let's just stick with the facts. It's a technology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.122.80.74 (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

So sorry, but this part needs to be removed: "Television, however, is not solely a technology, limited to its basic and practical application. It functions both as an appliance, and also as a means for social story telling and message dissemination. It is a cultural tool that provides a communal experience of receiving information and experiencing fantasy. It acts as a “window to the world” by bridging audiences from all over through programming of stories, triumphs, and tragedies that are outside of personal experiences.[28]"

This not only applies to radio and other means of technology, but it horribly unscientific. It sounds almost metaphysical and is clearly an opinion. I asked for this to be removed before, but it was denied. How can anyone read this and it not come off like it's coming from a television salesman? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.122.80.74 (talk) 06:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Is Raisting used for telecommunications

This article is headlined with a picture of a dish from the Raisting Satellite Earth Station. But is this station really used for telecommunications, or is it used for communication with interplanetary space probes? Although that would fit a literal meaning of tele- (far-) communication, it's really not what is normally meant by the word, and it's not what this article is about. I would think that real telecommunication dishes would always be fixed, not gimballed like the Raisting dish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.39.68 (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as "pre-modern" telecommunication

I changed some of the material in the introduction to avoid saying that smoke signals, semaphores, etc., are "telecommunications." The word wasn't even used in English prior to 1923 (if Google Ngrams can be trusted). Also, the definition of telecommunication says:

communication over a distance by cable, telegraph, telephone, or broadcasting.
(telecommunications) [ treated as sing. ] the branch of technology concerned with telecommunication.
formal a message sent by telecommunication.

So it seems to specifically exclude that type of communication.

I tried to do it in a minimalist way, though, saying that these are earlier methods of communication at a distance. Even so, not sure they belong. Ngriffeth (talk) 19:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Definition

"Telecommunication is communication at a distance by technological means" -- no, Telecommunication is communication at a distance, period -- whatever connotations may usually (and not necessarily) accompany it. Wyresider (talk) 23:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Telecom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekumoha (talk • contribs) 21:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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analog landlines

@Kbrose: of all the uncited material in this article, the fact that most landlines are analog is probably the most widely known and uncontroversial fact in there. It is beyond me why that in particular has been singled out as needing a citation. More little blue number disease? SpinningSpark 21:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@LiberatorG: pinging again. Wrong editor pinged first time. SpinningSpark 08:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: I was simply restoring the citation needed tag that had gotten removed with no valid citation being added. The claim seems poorly worded, as any phone with a microphone has some part that is analog. I don't know of anyone that is still using purely analog equipment; those that still have landlines use a cordless phone that transmits over the air digitally. Since that isn't really important it would probably be better to just reword it to something like: "Historically, almost all residential telephone equipment was analog. Increasingly, ..." -LiberatorG (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
@LiberatorG: Landline means the line in the land. That is, the local circuit joining the customer's premises to the local exchange. It's got nothing to do with the kind of handset connected to it, wireless or otherwise. Analog landline means the signal on the local circuit is analog. If the customer's equipment chooses to convert that to digital doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the landline – it's still analog. Your suggestion has missed the point entirely. SpinningSpark 20:21, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: The article says "landline telephones"; if it is not intended to be a claim about the actual telephone device then perhaps the sentence needs nothing more than clarification. -LiberatorG (talk) 21:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I understand, but I've now put in a source that directly verifies the claim. SpinningSpark 21:26, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Modern media -> Radio & television-> 4th paragraph

Seems a bit outdated. Tusinoittain (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

definition is deficient

The definition no longer appears to have the key component of being "at a distance". This should be corrected. 192.35.35.36 (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

The very first words are wrong: it says "exchange", and that is not necessarily the case. A broadcast does not involve an exchange of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donn300 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Please change image size

Hi. The article image is in full blown size. Unfortunately I don't know how to change it

Someone added an image of the sun to the very top of the article - and it was massive. I have undone this edit as vandalism. Picard's Facepalm (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 13 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: Ultimately there is consensus that "telecommunications" is the basic form of the word, often used in singular, so it will be moved. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


Telecommunication → Telecommunications – Telecommunication refers to the action of communicating over a distance, while the wider term covering the technology and industry, which is the scope of this article, almost always appears as telecommunications. Now it's a bit unclear whether this is actually considered a plural form—Merriam-Webster gives the definition as "technology that deals with telecommunication —usually used in plural"[1], while Lexico (previously Oxford Dictionaries) says, "(telecommunications) [treated as singular] The branch of technology concerned with telecommunication."[2] But that shouldn't matter, since both show that Telecommunications should be the preferred title. Paul_012 (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 22:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak Support. In English there is no noun that cannot be verbed. It is British Telecommunications for example, or Post Office Telecommunications. In both cases I think "telecommunications" is a noun. The question is as rightly put, is "Telecommunications" so different from the broad concept of "Telecommunication". Itself a bastard word half-Latin half-Greek like Television and many similar. I think WP:RS pleAse... i can imagine about fifty-fifty. Lexico is the Oxford English Dictionary (underneath, and that lists "telecommunication" as a mass noun). Would tou suggest {{r from singular}} if we swapped it? Abstract nouns are often plural in other languages, but not in English. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 18:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC::
Webster's also lists under headword in singular "telecommunication". Its second definition does say "usually used in plural". Now thwre's the rub: is "telecommunications" plural? I would say not. Is e.g. "ministries of information" plural? Have can, will have a diet of worms. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, ministries of information is plural (information ministries) in the same way as courts martial is plural. It's a postpositive adjective. That doesn't make telecommunications plural. It is the name of a field of study, hence singular. "Telecommunications are the transmission of information..." sounds ungrammatical to my ear. ngrams tends to agree with me. SpinningSpark 13:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Telecommunication(s) seems to be heading down the path of statistic/statistics. But this article currently deals with both of the aspects, so won't the singular suffice? —  AjaxSmack  16:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm communicating remotely. Have I communicated or shall I telecommunicate? Or merely communicate? Should I telecommunicate or telecommute? Is this message telecommunicated? Should I be telecommunicating or merely commuting, which after all goes from one distant place to another. (But "commute" is another back formation. As is this edit.) 85.67.32.244 (talk) 19:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


Telecoms industry? Telecom industry? but British Telecom. France Telecom. In most European languages it is singular, Deutsche Telekom, but that is little help to what we call it in English. In Hungarian it is singular uncountable essentially mass nouns don't take plural form and if you count them you use the singular. tiz telefon for example, not "telefonok" plural even though there are ten (tiz) of em. It's a very fine distinction... I'm settling towards the -s, but it's very fine line (as indeed is my telephone's). 85.67.32.244 (talk) 01:59, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Do you think "Telecommunications is frequently debated in the halls of government" is grammatically correct? (That's a sincere question, by the way, not a rhetorical device.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
While I would recast such a construction, it doesn't sound all that strange in 2021. The almighty Google agrees. That's where I found the title of James Bond's 1997 article "Telecommunications is Dead, Long Live Networking", which would seem confusing as a plural. —  AjaxSmack  13:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
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