Talk:Swimming at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 400-metre freestyle

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Review: April 14, 2025. (Reviewed version).

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GA review

Passed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 23:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk · contribs) 02:35, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I will be taking this GA review :) This is a very well sourced and impressive article - well done! I am really not into sports but I found this interesting and I was happy that it included reception/critics reviews in it. I have checked Earwig and there is no copyright violation and no big issues from what I can see. I do have the following comments though:

1.) The Guardian should be linked in the source.

2.) "The women's 400 metre freestyle event at the 2024 Summer Olympics was held on 27 July at Paris La Défense Arena, which was converted to a swimming pool for the swimming events.[1]" - This is not discussed in the main body of the article - could you mention it somewhere in the background section and move the ref there?

3.) "Since an Olympic size swimming pool is 50 metres long, each competitor had to swim eight lengths of the pool" - I cannot see this in the article and it is not sourced - could you source it within the article or please remove it?

4.) Is there any way that "heat" and "seed" could be linked so that readers know what they are?

5.) "The Guardian stated" - Please can you change it to "The Guardian wrote"

6.) Can you archive source #11 please?

7.) Some sources are missing the authors (such as the Guardian, SwimSwam and Reuters) - can you please add them?

8.) "Ariarne Titmus led from beginning to end" - Is there any way to clarify what this means?

9.) There are a few sentences that require knowledge of sports/Olympic terminology that general readers may not understand, so if this could be clarified or linked in the article that would help per WP:READERSFIRST.

Once these have been fixed/addressed, I will do a spotcheck of sources and see if there any other improvements and then (hopefully) pass the article :) Well done! Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions etc. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DaniloDaysOfOurLives, thank you so much for a detailed review. I appreciate you taking this on despite not being into sports, because you should be able to identify any subject specific jargon I accidentally may have included.

1) Good catch, fixed (do be aware this goes beyond GA criteria though)

2) I considered this, but I don't think "background" encompasses this information. In this GA review, me and the GA reviewer agreed the lead was probably the best place to cite this information for this type of article. Having said that, I would be happy to change it for this and the other articles in the topic if you insist, especially if you could point to a guideline.

3) I added this per WP:READERSFIRST, on the off chance a reader very unfamiliar with the subject might read it. I am curious, did you know this already?

I think it definitely falls under WP:BLUE, so doesn't need a citation. I would be happy to duplicate it in the article body, perhaps if we do end up moving the information raised in the second comment

4) This disambiguation page shows there is not a page for heat, but I linked seed.

5) Fixed. Good catch.

6) Unfortunately I have never been able to link a Reuters page. I think they block archiving or something.

7) I think I added authors to all I could?

8) Clarified to "Ariarne Titmus led from the beginning to the end of the race". Do you think this is clearer?

9) I'm sure this is the case, it was one of my concerns when writing these articles. However could you be a bit more specific, which terms are you talking about? IAWW (talk) 09:12, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DaniloDaysOfOurLives, did you forget about this? IAWW (talk) 13:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I am so so sorry - I did completely forget about this. The day after your comments, I went through some health issues and have been dealing with them and in the midst of that I completely forgot - I am so sorry. Regarding point #3, I did not know this already, and I agree with your reasoning. Regarding Point #7, I meant this sentence - " The Guardian wrote that the race was "almost dull" with Titmus leading the way,[14] while Reuters said that it was not as exciting as anticipated" - as in, it would be better if it was "X from the Guardian wrote..." etc. I have done another skim and I do not think there are any major issues. Regarding #9, the main thing I struggled to understand was what "Heats" are. I also struggled to understand the timings (e.g. "03:55:38"), but other GA/FA/FL articles use that so I think it is fine. I will now do a source check. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DaniloDaysOfOurLives, no worries at all. I really hope your health issues get better! Regarding the term "heats", it is so common in the surrounding sourcing that I am reluctant to remove it. However I see how it is subject specific terminology, so I added "(preliminary rounds)" after the first usage of the term. Does this help clear things up? I may also do that in all the other articles in the topic. I added the author names, which I believe addresses everything raised here? IAWW (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thank you so much! As you wrote this I had done a spotcheck. Regarding "heats", I did not think it should be removed, I just was wondering about how to help readers and your addition has helped so I see no further issues and hence I will be passing this article - well done!! :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecked Sources #1, #12, #14 and #15. Would like to add that #Source 15 states "The women's 400m free was touted as one of the most high-profile races of these Olympics" which I think could be worth including. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Filler in lede

I trimmed the lead per MOS:LEDE to better summarize key points. Similar issue was raised and resolved earlier: see talk. See also User:IP49XX/Why MOS Matters for further explanation. IP49XX (talk) 00:37, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]