Talk:Second Nature (Rush song)/GA1

GA review

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Nominator: HumanxAnthro (talk · contribs) 19:50, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:14, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will have this one completed by tomorrow! --K. Peake 10:14, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Write January–April 1987 in the recorded parameter since these months are fully sourced
• Remove the world Studio after the names of them in the infobox because the parameter having that name makes it redundant
• Remove pop rock from genres since this is only the chorus, not a genre of the song completely
• The exact release date is not needed in the lead, instead place a comma after twelfth studio album and add the album's release year in brackets at the end
• "Its lyrics were penned by" → "The song was penned by" and remove "music" before composer credits, although there should be a clause before one of the later usages of and in this sentence
• Remove the song's length since this information is not notable for the lead
• Because this is the lead, remove speech marks around open letter
• "It was left out" → "The song was left out"
• Link critics to Music journalism
• "bland and unexceptional." → "bland, and unexceptional."

Background

• This may be a stylistic preference from me, but shouldn't you introduce the record as "the 1987 album Hold Your Fire" in the first sentence rather than adding the year in brackets since this reads confusingly?
• "by guitarist Alex Lifeson and" → "by guitarist Alex Lifeson, and"
• Remove the wikilink and release year of Power Windows in the second para, as this information is already established
• [5] does not source the January to April 1987 recording dates
• "These include Oxford's" → "These included Oxford's"
• Remove overly obvious wikilink on Toronto
• Same as above for wikilinks on New York and Paris
• "on September 8, 1987 with" → "on September 8, 1987, with"
• Mention that this was the album's promotional tour to specify

Music

• Remove the audio sample's wikilink on soft rock to avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE
• Shouldn't you write out in prose "Second Nature" has a length of four-minutes and 35 seconds (4:35)?
• [7][3] are out of order; [3] is the one that mentions the length which is listed first
• Wouldn't "akin to" be more suitable language than "a la"?
• "section and arranged with strings, "evocative" → "section, with the arrangement consisting of strings, "evocative" to be more clear since the clause's usage is not immediately recognized here as to what the quote's link is to the arrangement
• "interpreted both it and" → "interpreted both the song and"
• Wikilink electronic music to itself instead of the music production link, which is obviously more recognizable
• "Analyzed Alex Body, the production" → "Analyzed by Alex Body, the production"

Lyrics

• Img looks good!
• Would "bigger picture" make more sense as a phrase here than "big picture"?
• "to accept limitations."" should only keep the punctuation inside speech marks if the source ends the quote with a full-stop at this point
• Wikilink classic liberalism to itself instead
• "cooperation and communication of" → "cooperation, and communication of"

Reception

• Shouldn't you write something like the staff of Circus for the first sentence?
• Add the name of the publication Bob Darden is from
• "over this one."" → "over this one"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "bland and boring" → "bland, and boring"
• The words unremarkable and average are widely recognized, so do not need speech marks
• "hated the "mind-bogglingly cheesy" "garbage" around it." → "hated the surrounding "mind-bogglingly cheesy ... garbage"."
• "called it and" → "called the song and"
• "Body lauded the "impressive musical use of light" → "Body was impressed with the musical aspects of "light" to avoid overquoting
• "to Lifeson who... nope, he doesn't wake up"." → "to Lifeson", who does not seem to wake up."

Personnel

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 23.7%!!!
• Per lack of a clear editorial oversite and the credits page saying it even quotes from Wikipedia, is rush.com reliable for refs 3 and 5?
• Wikilink Voyageur Press on ref 8 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Link Backbeat Books to Bloomsbury Publishing on ref 9
• If you are only wikilinking Newspapers.com once, do this on ref 12 instead
• Regarding the above, wikilinking more than once needs to be consistent for all sources – if you follow doing this, then remove wikilinks on ECW Press for ref 21 and Ultimate Classic Rock for ref 29

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; done right on time today! --K. Peake 11:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)