Talk:Scratch the Surface/GA1

GA review

Passed. Arconning (talk) 23:09, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Chchcheckit (talk · contribs) 01:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 02:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shall review! Arconning (talk) 02:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ty! also, three things in advance:

I will fully cooperate and copy thing out if you require a spotcheck from the text sources i.e. Macomber 2012 and Koller/Koller/Abrams 2020 etc
references that have a proquest ID or jstor id are accessible through the wikipedia library
Sorry for the wierd reference style. I was trying to emulate Maxinquaye and after all was done, I will never do this ref style again. It was pain.
I suppose we'll get to this, but once we get to "Legacy" section please determine the veracity of this line in the lead: Retrospectively described as a classic album, it has been credited with exposing hardcore to a wider audience; the band have also credited it with expanding their fanbase in Europe. I don't really know how to write these kind of things

// Chchcheckit (talk) 11:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some edits bc i had a second glance. no more changes after this // Chchcheckit (talk) 12:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will be passing, everything seems good now. Arconning (talk) 23:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and MoS

Lead and infobox

No issues whatsoever.
Considering some of the sources do put it as a classic album + the expanding fanbase on Europe part, I think it'd be apt.

Background and recording

Nothing much, wording seems dodgy but it seems alright. Maybe this wording could be changed, "Sick of It All were unhappy..."
- please elaborate on "wording seems dodgy" or what you think I could do better // Chchcheckit (talk) 12:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Never seen this type of writing style before but it seems nice, for the statement itself maybe we could go for "dissatisfied" instead of "unhappy". Arconning (talk) 13:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good word choice; used. Ig you can elaborate on this type of writing style outside the review // Chchcheckit (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Music and lyrics

I don't see any mentions of "No Cure", "Consume", "Force My Hand", "Desperate Fool", "Return to Reality", and "Cease Fire" here.
- i'll give sources a second look, i'll ping you once i feel done here // Chchcheckit (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning alr I looked through the references and found things for "Consume" and "Desperate Fool"; the other songs either lacked good enough commentary or were not mentioned. i think i've done all i can here. // Chchcheckit (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"judgemental", "judgmental"
- lmao british my bad // Chchcheckit (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

All good.

Legacy

All good.

The rest...

All good!
- On November 22, 1995, the band performed an unannounced show with the Beastie Boys at St. Mark's Place.[54] Should I cut this line; i don't think it was related to the promotion of STS. i included it bc it was in the "two year" frame but im thinking its irrelevant // 16:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
  - actually yeah im removing it // Chchcheckit (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- copyedited the line about the STS music video. i think im done // Chchcheckit (talk) 17:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Media

All media is properly licensed though you could put a clip of one of the songs used in the album within the "Music and lyrics" section to provide some more context! Optional though I'd push for it. :)
- I considered it for either step down or the title track, but I got kinda stuck so I left it out // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- as in; the musical commentary from sources already kinda sucked and made it hard to do so // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:58, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

I'd prefer for the use of the "|archive-url" parameter rather than "via Internet Archive", as that's generally accepted more. I don't think I've seen an article using "via Internet Archive".
- "via Internet Archive" is exclusively used for text sources // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- clarification: "archive-url" is mainly used for web sources (including archive date etc), so to link to books on the IA i used the "via Internet Archive" thing. // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:58, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll assume good faith on the text sources, though I'll check some of the other refs.
- NO please do not!!!!! I will help!!! // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning Chchcheckit (talk) 11:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chchcheckit Alrighty then:
Could I have the entire statement where Macomber calls the album a "magnum opus"?

This statement as well, "Despite this, the Koller brothers both considered "Consume", the sole track which Soares and Anderson mixed together, to be one of the strongest tracks on Scratch the Surface"
The other statements seem plausible enough. Sorry for my late comment. Arconning (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning here you go:
Macomber 2012: the intro to the HOF article cited is here as well:
the 1994 hardcore magnum opus Scratch the Surface [...] Scratch the Surface is not merely a great record; it is a transcendent one by the standards of any and all subsets of extreme music, an assertion borne out by the fact that the 2006 Sick of It All tribute album Our Impact Will Be Felt features enthusiastic Scratch covers from such stalwart heavies as Sepultura and Napalm Death.

"Consume":
Macomber 2012, p. 68: L. Koller: We brought Billy [Anderson] in, and at first I think Tom [Soares] was a little insulted—or at least I got that vibe, anyway—but I think the song they actually mixed together, "Consume", is one of the best-sounding tracks on the record. Billy just added the dirt we needed to be there.

Koller/Koller/Abrams 2020: Pete: Billy and Tom worked on one song together, which I thought was the best track, "Consume". Unfortunately, I think Tom was kinda hurt that we brought Billy in.

// Chchcheckit (talk) 12:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Earwig's okay. Other sources seem reliable enough.

Misc

No ongoing edit war, broad and focused information about the topic.

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