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... that a Piper PA-31 Navajo once crashed into the Portal of the Folded Wings Shrine to Aviation, a 72-foot tall shrine to aviation?

Source: https://www.pbssocal.org/history-society/valhalla-memorial-park-and-portal-of-the-folded-wings-the-criminal-beginnings-of-a-burbank-burial-ground

ALT-1 ...that the Portal of the Folded Wings Shrine to Aviation is the burial site for thirteen pioneers in aviation

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Comment: according to the page bytes, the article is only 2x expanded, but I also removed much of the original page when I redid it, and had I done this in separate steps, the new page would be 5x expanded

5x expanded by Gb321 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Gb321 (talk) 16:51, 11 May 2025 (UTC). General eligibility:[reply]

New enough:
Long enough: - Yes, per below discussionUnfortunately, this is still not long enough. We count expansions by prose size, not by raw text size. Even so, the version prior to expansion includes 1,613 bytes of prose (if the block quote is included). The current version of the article has 5,868 bytes of prose. The article would be eligible for DYK if the block quote wasn't included, as the previous version minus the block quote is 1,026 bytes, but I don't know whether block quotes should be counted here. Other DYK regulars (pinging @DYK admins: ) might be able to advise.

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Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems: - There is a {{One source}} tag. It should be resolved before this appears on the Main Page, if it is eligible. ~~Since the source in question is a reliable source, though, I think it can be removed.~~ (See Amakuru's comment below; this must be resolved, even if you were the editor who added the tag.)

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Gb321: Nice work on the article. However, I do have some concerns, which I've raised above. Epicgenius (talk) 13:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure the "one source" template should be removed or ignored, even though it was apparently put in there by the nominator... the fact that there are no other sources used for that section means it's almost certainly close paraphrasing, and an orange-tag issue should be resolved properly. — Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think we should count the quote for the pre-expansion size. My prosesize tool does not and I think this meets the 5x expansion test. —Kusma (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) Hi Epicgenius, WP:DYKLEN specifically excludes non-original text, and so I would exclude the block quote. That being said, I share Amakuru's concern over the orange tag and the section. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The DYK admins template should only be used for emergencies, but prose is measured by characters not bytes and the blockquote isn't counted towards character count, so this is (at best) a 4.16x expansion, from 1409 to 5868. If you can resolve the tag and any/all close paraphrasing, WP:GA is that-a-way.--Laun chba ller 13:34, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to Prosesize, it was expanded from 1114 bytes/180 words to 5852 bytes/923 words, which is fine. What tool are you using? —Kusma (talk) 13:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using DYKcheck, which shows 1409/188 even after editing the previous version to remove the blockquote and showing preview.--Laun chba ller 13:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Next time I'll post on WT:DYK instead, I didn't realize that template was not a general-use template for pinging DYK admins or regular users. That being said, I came to the same conclusion as Kusma regarding the prose size; I just thought the block quote in the previous version of the article might pose some problems if it were treated as prose. Epicgenius (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll work on getting that 'one source' tag removed