Talk:Polycystic ovary syndrome

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Mental Health

I think the mental health portion of this page is much smaller than it needs to be. The sources are also outdated and I plan to update them while adding more information. Nicoleschully (talk) 19:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I am thinking that the mental health section should really just be more elaborated within the symptoms section. It seems odd under management when there is no significant research done on the management of mental health for people with PCOS. Nicoleschully (talk) 01:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

PMID 34030169 is a recent treatment trial (too recent to have been found in the old Cochrane review), but I don't see many other sources.

PMID 30066285 (already cited) looks like an excellent source, and here's a link to some similar articles that might be worth considering. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Outdated Terminology

No one's addressed this here in nearly a decade, so I think it's time for the discussion to be renewed. This page consistently refers to people affected by the condition as women, even though woman is a gender identity while this page is about a condition that can affect people regardless of how they identify. I get that it can seem redundant to say "people with ovaries" or "females", but it's important to find a way to not be reductive in the pursuit of being as objective as possible.

I also think there should be at least a sentence or two about intersex, as to my knowledge it falls under the definition. GreenTeaMoxie (talk) 17:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

There are multiple definitions for the word woman, only one of which is a gender identity. The word woman is certainly used for gender identity, but it is also used for biological sex, gender expression, and gender roles. After all, nobody looks at a person who is wearing stereotypically feminine clothes and says "Don't call that person a woman; you don't know what their internal gender identity is. You only know what their current gender expression is". WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

About intersex people: AIUI a female – using the strictly biological, non-human-specific definition of "an individual organism that produces ova instead of sperm" – who has a disorder of sex development could have PCOS. However, AIUI a person who does not have functioning ovaries is not going to have PCOS.

Or did you mean that you think the article should say that a few intersex advocates think any unusual hormone combination should be considered intersex, and that therefore women with PCOS should be classified as intersex? This is not a common belief within the intersex community, and it is ignored outside of it. Our policy says Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all, and I think this should be considered the view of a tiny minority. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

pcos being considered an intersex variation is actually a very common belief and is stated by almost every major intersex advocacy group in the USA. its included in interACT's glossary of intersex variations. i think it being considered one by advocacy groups could be included, even if some people dont agree with it. Meteorbelt (talk) 21:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The brochure you link says on page 2:

"What this glossary is NOT:...A definitive guide of what is intersex and what is not intersex".

I therefore would not take inclusion in that glossary as evidence that anything listed in it is definitely an intersex condition. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Diagnosis - Four Types of PCOS - Adrenal PCOS

This is nonsense. Second sentence is grammatically incorrect too. 195.136.19.239 (talk) 01:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Here's the text:

===The four types of PCOS===

PCOS diagnosis is categorized into four different types;

1. Insulin-resistant PCOS is the most common type and occurs due to high insulin levels in the body. Due to a resistance to insulin, the pancreas increases the amount of insulin it releases. The excess of insulin then signals the body to produce androgen at higher levels.
2. Inflammatory PCOS results from inflammation in the body that is caused by stress and or high inflammatory foods. With inflammatory PCOS because of the inflammation the body will not ovulate, that results in an imbalance in hormones that then causes the body to produce androgen at higher levels.
3. Post-pill PCOS results from individuals stopping oral contraceptives. When you stop taking these pills the body will produce androgen at higher levels resulting in PCOS symptoms.
4. Adrenal PCOS is a PCOS caused by how our body reacts to stress. As a result DHEAS a type of androgens that form in the adrenal glands.

This is not the kind of high-quality medical source that we would ideally be using for this article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Source

The "International Evidence-based Guideline for the assessment and management of polycystic ovary syndrome 2023" [1] would make a good source for this article. In particular, I hear that it has updated dietary advice (away from "lose weight" and towards "eat healthful foods"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Intersex Condition

The general medical consensus is that PCOS is NOT an "intersex condition". Remove this misinformation and the outrageously biased "source," please. 74.105.121.100 (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a good source? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

You will note that the Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pcos/symptoms-causes/syc-20353439), Cleveland Clinic (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/8316-polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos), and Johns Hopkins (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos) do not refer to PCOS as "intersex" anywhere on their informational pages. Reliable medical sources do not classify PCOS this way. The previous "source" was not a medical text; it was a book about sexual orientation and gender identity. No mainstream medical experts consider PCOS an intersex disorder. Some intersex advocacy groups do, but their opinions are not based on medical fact. 74.105.121.100 (talk) 03:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Also adding the WHO (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/polycystic-ovary-syndrome) and the NHS (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos/). It's a hormonal disorder, not a disorder of sexual development. 74.105.121.100 (talk) 03:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that they don't classify it this way, but it's an absence of evidence argument. This book says that different people in the intersex community/activist groups have different views about whether PCOS "should" be considered intersex. Disorders of sex development usually encompass some hormonal disorders (e.g., Congenital adrenal hyperplasia), though definitions vary and change over time. I'm not aware of any reliable source that says PCOS is definitely not a DSD. Most of them are just silent on the point. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

And if someone wants to add a section on debate within the intersex activist community, more power to them. But stating that PCOS is an intersex disorder as though that is fact -- and in the lede sentence, no less, which is where the previous user had placed the assertion - is both incorrect and actively deceptive. Thank you for removing it. 74.105.121.100 (talk) 22:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Anything you don't like is "misinformation". Any source you don't like is "biased". Sureee. 46.242.13.113 (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

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@Jhowell18, Mavericks0718: You're in different classes and both interested in this article. Wikipedia has no rules against that (though perhaps you should check with your instructors?). Please try to coordinate your work. You can use this talk page to check in with each other, or leave notes on each other's User_talk: pages. That's what Wikipedia editors would normally do. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)