Talk:Patricia Rooney
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Change title of article?
[edit]Considering that Wikipedia articles about people usually use for the title the name by which the subject was best known, I wonder why this article is titled "Patricia Rooney" rather than "Marion Bent". The articles and books cited appear to use "Marion Bent" predominantly, with much less frequent use of "Marion Bent Rooney" or "Mrs. Pat Rooney". Unless a good reason exists for keeping the current title, I suggest that it be changed to "Marion Bent". Eddie Blick (talk) 02:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Teblick and Thecelluloidvoid: Are there any credible, reliable sources that state the actress Marion Bent and the film editor Patricia Rooney are even the same person? IMDB is not a reliable source. Neither is Find a Grave. Even contemporary entertainment news media is not always reliable. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:51, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Animalparty, That's a good question. I am not aware of any such sources. I don't know what prompted an editor to use "Patricia Rooney" in reference to Marion Bent. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- I have severe doubts: while IMDB and its various content-scraping clones and mirrors treat them as the same, it's notoriously unreliable, per WP:IMDB, WP:IMDB/RS and WP:CITINGIMDB. The scant contemporary film sources that mention "Patricia Rooney" as editor don't refer to Marion Bent. The one source that appears to come close is an excerpt in Vazzana's Silent Film Necrology (2001) (a tertiary source) for Marion Bent: I can't yet verify the original text, but the the Google Books preview states "...AS , p . 939 ( Patricia Rooney ) . BHD , p . 105. " Rooney and Bent Comedy , " NYDM , 28 Apr 1915 , 28 : 3..." Even still, I have huge doubts, since none of the contemporary news articles or obituaries on Bent I've seen mention film editing at all. It seems more plausible that somebody, somewhere confused "Mrs. Pat Rooney" (i.e. Marion Bent, wife of Pat Rooney) with "Patricia Rooney", and this unchecked mistake has proliferated. I'm still trying to any find significant biographical coverage (e.g. birth, death) of Patricia Rooney the editor outside of single-sentence show business notes and single-name mentions in directories, credits, and databases: Richard Koszarski's Hollywood on the Hudson calls Patricia Rooney: "once one of the most important editors at Paramount's Astoria studio" in a single sentence. The Film Daily in 1925 name drops "Patricia Rooney" 3 times in refence to editing Clothes Make the Pirate and The Desert Healer (AKA Old Loves and New). Not much so far beyond that.--Animalparty! (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Additional clues to the identity of the "real" Patricia Rooney: the 1930 US census for New York City lists a Patricia Rooney living in Manhattan (a lodger), aged 31, single, occupation "editor film", in the industry "motion picture" born in New York, to parents born in Ireland. So assuming this is the same person, she would have been born ca. 1899. Newspaper archive searches in New York and California (Hollywood) might yield additional info. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- I have severe doubts: while IMDB and its various content-scraping clones and mirrors treat them as the same, it's notoriously unreliable, per WP:IMDB, WP:IMDB/RS and WP:CITINGIMDB. The scant contemporary film sources that mention "Patricia Rooney" as editor don't refer to Marion Bent. The one source that appears to come close is an excerpt in Vazzana's Silent Film Necrology (2001) (a tertiary source) for Marion Bent: I can't yet verify the original text, but the the Google Books preview states "...AS , p . 939 ( Patricia Rooney ) . BHD , p . 105. " Rooney and Bent Comedy , " NYDM , 28 Apr 1915 , 28 : 3..." Even still, I have huge doubts, since none of the contemporary news articles or obituaries on Bent I've seen mention film editing at all. It seems more plausible that somebody, somewhere confused "Mrs. Pat Rooney" (i.e. Marion Bent, wife of Pat Rooney) with "Patricia Rooney", and this unchecked mistake has proliferated. I'm still trying to any find significant biographical coverage (e.g. birth, death) of Patricia Rooney the editor outside of single-sentence show business notes and single-name mentions in directories, credits, and databases: Richard Koszarski's Hollywood on the Hudson calls Patricia Rooney: "once one of the most important editors at Paramount's Astoria studio" in a single sentence. The Film Daily in 1925 name drops "Patricia Rooney" 3 times in refence to editing Clothes Make the Pirate and The Desert Healer (AKA Old Loves and New). Not much so far beyond that.--Animalparty! (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Animalparty, That's a good question. I am not aware of any such sources. I don't know what prompted an editor to use "Patricia Rooney" in reference to Marion Bent. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2025 (UTC)