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What article can we bring up to Featured quality?

I want to bring up something on this list to featured quality, so we can get it appearing as a featured article.

See Wikipedia:What is a featured article for more info. Question is - which?

As I see it we would need to choose an article that

relatively uncontroversial
has potential to be comprehensive
can be illustrated

Any suggestions? Morwen - Talk 20:35, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In the German WP, de:Transgender made it (but needs some reworking by now, anyway). I am not quite sure whether the transgender article here would be so great - it talks basically a lot about what transgender is not, according to some people, and sub-groups, but not about transgender itself. Maybe Transvestism would be a decent choice? Since it also clearly explains what transvestitism is not, it would be just as good a start as most others. -- AlexR 20:33, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please, no. Ambivalenthysteria 00:29, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm... Please, no. is not exactly an answer to anything. Do you think the article is too bad to make it, or is this some good old-fashioned bashing of "lesser" trans-people? Now mind you, I don't care if the article does not make it, but I cannot agree with anything like "I don't want these people to get any attention." Especially since the article does make it very clear that there is quite some difference between say transvesitism and transsexualism. If you want the difference between the two to be noticed, it is quite necessary to explain both, and since this is the Wikipeda, both has to be NPOV. So could you maybe elaborate that "Please, no." somewhat? It will make talking a lot easier. Thanks a lot. -- AlexR 02:22, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Why not Gender identity, Genderqueer, Gender role (which needs attention anyway, IIRC), or, even though this would take work, Transgender? IMHO, they would be better candidates. Ambivalenthysteria 04:35, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I vote for gender identity. JulieADriver 17:31, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Relatively uncontroversial.. is going to be hard to do. No one seems to agree on what exactly all the different terms mean.

Can be illustrated.. Uhm, are you suggesting pictures of T* people?

-- Kimiko 07:15, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Non-human issues

While transsexuality may not occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (or who knows, maybe it does?), simple sex-change operations have been used by veterinarians to help cats with urinary tract problems. Is this something that should be noted in the article?

I have never heard of this, But transsexuality does occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (see [CNN article] about species that change sex and the rule of thumb about when the change occures). Also, human polutants have caused secondary sexual charactoristics changes in animals (See [National Geographic Article]).

Though animal species change sexes, It is apparently for the purpose of reproduction. This is oposed to human transgenser which is with respect to social roles of each gender.

69.171.150.47 01:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You don't think transgender people would change their reproductive organs and role if possible? It's not as opposed as you are assuming, it's just a matter of physcial capability Mya Lysippe (talk) 08:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This shows a misunderstanding of the transsexual experience. We do not change our sex or chose to live as our correct sex or gender solely because of "gender roles". I wish it was that simple! The issue is far deeper and complex. Also, it is arrogant of us to assume we understand animal consciousness; that we would know whether or not there were transgender issues in other species. Athbhreith (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Millions of animals species have yet to be discovered let alone the purposes, intent and implications for all their behaviors including many transgender and hermaphroditic behaviors studied or understood. It's premature to implicitly infer conclusions accept to qualify as still being researched or not yet fully understood. Benjiboi 00:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed debunked 'cause'

Removed 'Blanchards Transsexual typology from causes section. This psuedoscience is widely debunked and is akin to saying that homosexuality is caused by the perversion of mens souls or calling homosexuals merely fetishistic perverts going through a phase as an actual cause and denying their right to acknowledged existence(as some 'doctors' might try to tell you).

As such it is inappropriate for the cause section and would be more appropriate in a 'controversy' section. If it is allowed to stay in the causes section, then I am sure I can find some debunked doctors to fit something in the cause section of homosexuality or the maybe some phrenology would be appropriate in the section of the differences between white and black people. I suggest labeling these things appropriately as the fringe controversy they are, usually supported by fanatics. Mya Lysippe (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Mya_Lysippe[reply]

List to outline, and what about the Lead

This was formerly entitled as a List, but structured as an outline, because of its grouping by topic area rather than alphabetically or chronologically, and by its hierarchical nature, exactly as described at WP:OUTLINE. I've renamed it as an Outline, and consolidated some of the sections in what I thought was a better hierarchy; it's still problematic, and more changes could improve it further.

The lead seemed awkward before, and still is. It attempts to say something about the flux in transgender terminology, but doesn't say much (and doesn't link to Transgender terminology, where there's plenty of information about it). Maybe the outline would be better off dumping most of the lead, with just a sentence or two left, as found at Outline of LGBT topics. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BIID?

Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is Body Integrity Identity Disorder included on this page? It is a separate disorder from gender dysphoria and isn't inherently related to any other transgender issues. Anomalocarididae (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]