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WP:COMMON NAME: Orjuna is more common search result

27,500 Google search results for: Orjuna -wikipedia 811 Google search results for: "organization of yugoslav nationalists" -wikipedia

Also the movement called itself by short form as Orjuna, so there is no problem at all with using the short-form term.

By WP:COMMONNAME I am moving it to "Orjuna".--R-41 (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was

organization for keeping of integral Yugoslav state and madeing of integral yugoslav nation, so naturaly it had a problem with all antistate and antinational elements in the country, as ethnic separatists (Serb, croat and Slovene), separatistic movements by the ethnic minorities, and also comunists which openly had antistate policy. That's it. If that was fascism then you should think as people from that historical period, not by opinion from 21th century, cause Fascist movement and ideology as italian product had thesis that parts of Yugoslavia should became integral parts of great Italy...So who were the "fascists" in that story, someone who defend it's own country ? Strange opinion...Also antisemitism was never part of its ideology, cause they were not clerical or proreligious group, they were nationalistic movement, and every single person which were against integral state of Yugoslavia was their's enemy. In this text, there is obviously some melting pott of different ideologies, movements, eticeta's..which is totaly out of question.--Rethymno (talk) 13:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First of all... "Serb separatists"? Can you name even one Serbian organisation that existed in that period and was against Yugoslavia? Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 14:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Probably posibility of some individuals, not organizations. That's truth, Serbs were mostley satisfied with state in which they lived, even noone asked them. Anyway Orjuna wasnt "fascists" and antisemitic group, which is most important and which this text want to present. This text is probably writing from the opinion of procroatian antiyugoslav position and then naturaly that should be absolutely negative presented for the public in modern days Croatia. So, as always text like this had a position of modern times after desolution of Yugoslavia, so its not neutral and it cant explaine position of that time situation in Dalmacia f.e....--Rethymno (talk) 12:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Common name

The common name for this organisation appears to be the acronym: Google books ngram viewer favours the acronym (either all caps or initial cap only) over the full name: [1] Google scholar search for the acronym produced 693 results ([2]) vs 162 results for the full name (114 in US spelling here: [3] and 48 in UK spelling here [4]) overwhelmingly favouring the acronym.

Therefore it appears that the article should be moved accordingly with redirects from the full name(s). Tomobe03 (talk) 00:01, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 February 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Organization of Yugoslav Nationalists be renamed and moved to ORJUNA.

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Organization of Yugoslav Nationalists → ORJUNA – per WP:COMMONNAME (see the talk section immediately above this one) Tomobe03 (talk) 17:28, 3 February 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Yeshivish613 (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. According to MOS:ACROTITLE, if an acronym and a full name are both in common use, then the full name should be used. The sources listed above show that both "ORJUNA" and "Organization of Yugoslav Nationalists" are commonly used, even if the former is slightly more common than the latter. Zacwill (talk) 22:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually MOS:ACROTITLE says something else: "Acronyms should be used in a page name if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject". This subject appears to be not slightly, but four times as frequently referred to by the acronym in professional papers. Tomobe03 (talk) 07:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the nominator - Prompted by the above cherrypicked quoting of the MOS, I thought it would be useful ot cite the entire relevant passage at this point:

Acronyms should be used in a page name if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject (e.g. NASA; in contrast, consensus has rejected moving Central Intelligence Agency to its acronym, in view of arguments that the full name is used in professional and academic publications). In general, if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognise the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title. If the acronym and the full name are both in common use, both pages should exist, with one (usually the abbreviation) redirecting to the other or being a disambiguation page.

It is evident that the professional and academic publications clearly favour the acronym - by more than 4 to 1. I would also say it is likely that at least some people superficially familiar with the topic would only identify the topic by the acronym than by the full name (for example, through use of the derived derogatory term discussed in the article).--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JNNO article merger

Currently, there is a separate Yugoslav Progressive Nationalist Youth (JNNO) article. ORJUNA was established as the JNNO and a year later the organisation changed its name. The establishment as the JNNO, and the name change are covered in sufficient detail (greater than the separate article) in ORJUNA article. I have proposed merger of the JNNO article into the ORJUNA article, but there is literally no information in the JNNO article that could be added to the target, so in essence the JNNO article should simply become a redirect probably. Tomobe03 (talk) 13:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]