Talk:Nur Masalha

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As the tag says, importance: low. Masalha is not known outside radical anti-Israel circles, within them he is something of a celebrity scholar. The article needs a great deal of work on many issues, POV is only one of them.Historicist (talk) 13:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No criticism, but plenty of praise for this dude in this "article". Neutrality has gone right out the window on this one.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 05:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many critque on Masalha as an "radical" "anti-semit" and so on, is well known from settler-ideologists 37.5.19.57 (talk) 09:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

English Version Books

Why you have mostly french or spanish version books ??

Here is an english version Book (find in an literatue list in a german book from Ilan Pappe):

Masalha, Nur, Expultion of the Palestines : The Concept of "Transfere" in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948, Washinton 1992. 37.5.19.57 (talk) 09:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Criticism of academic work"

Shouldn't "Criticism of academic work" come from academics? "Alex Stein is a translator, tour guide and co-founder of the Tel Aviv Review of Books."link, Not the Alex Stein, while Jonathan Schanzer is a lobbyist. (He works for the lobby-group Foundation for Defense of Democracies) This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.I will remove it all, please argue on talk first, if anyone wants to include it, thanks, Huldra (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Masalha’s book contains historical inaccuracies and a clear bias. The sources I’ve provided cite specific pages and thoroughly discuss the book’s issues. A well-argued review is still a review, why shouldn't it be included? Given the complexity of the Arab-Israeli conflict, it’s important to clarify who the authors of such books are and the perspectives they represent. A book titled "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" should be rooted in actual history, not used to promote a particular narrative with ahistorical assumptions and simply fake claims. Given its significant historical inaccuracies and omissions, it's important to include critical reviews on Masalha’s page to provide a more balanced perspective. AhmedElMohamedi (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When academics criticise it, we can include it. I'm sorry, but a " translator, tour guide" or a lobbyist isn't good enough. If there is such "significant historical inaccuracies and omission", then I am sure it will be noted by scholars, Huldra (talk) 21:20, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. Masalha’s book hasn’t received serious academic attention, likely due to its heavy narrative-driven approach rather than historical analysis. However, this review does engage with Masalha’s claims, citing specific pages and countering them with some context. Stein may not be a major academic figure and even if the review isn’t considered a scholarly source, it’s still a detailed critique that addresses major issues. Some of this criticism should be included to provide a fuller picture of the book’s reception. Claiming that Ashkenazi jews are converts (khazars) and ignoring over 3 thousand years of non bibical Jewish history is one of many major flaws in his book. As I said, I get your point though. AhmedElMohamedi (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he has received attention from people like Benny Morris (who is obviously notable in this context), but an anon source called "jewdar" in https://heebmagazine.com/lyin-of-judah-review-of-nur-masalhas-palestine-a-four-thousand-year-history/58307, or a "Alex Stein" in his own(?) publication, no, that just isn't good enough, Huldra (talk) 22:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm talking specifically about this book. Morris didn't review it. Nevermind. Are you sure it's a good idea not to include a critique? If so, I have nothing else to say. You know more about citing and using sources.AhmedElMohamedi (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there is any scholarly criticism of the book; of course that can be included. But not an anon ("jewdar") source, or self-published (?) stuff from a "translator, tour guide". We don't need that, when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of well-qualified academics writing about Israel/Palestine, Huldra (talk) 22:28, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. AhmedElMohamedi (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]