Talk:Nitty Gritty Dirt Band/GA1

GA Review

Passed. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) 08:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: M4V3R1CK32 (talk · contribs) 20:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

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A good article is—

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.^[1]

Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);^[2]

(c) it contains no original research; and

(d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;^[3] and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

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Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

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(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.^[6]

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^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
^ Footnotes must be used for in-line citations.
^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.
^ Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
^ The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.

Review

Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	Overall very good. There are a couple bullet points here that I think should be addressed before passing this as a GA, but they are fairly minor things. Good work! 1967-1971 served as the band's manager, helping to book them as opening acts for artists such as Joan Baez. He also helped the band sign a contract with Liberty Records, who released the band's self-titled debut album in 1967. "Buy for Me the Rain" was released as a single from this project, and it reached number 45 on the Billboard Hot 100. The band released another album for Liberty, Ricochet, later in 1967. After this album, Kunkel quit over creative differences in the band's the band...the band... the band... that phrase is repeated often in this section. Not disqualifying. 1972-1977 Bruce Eder thought these elements made the album I'd change "thought" to "wrote" for precision. Not disqualifying. 1978-1981 Stephen Thomas Erlewine of AllMusic thought the album marked a shift in the band's sound to a soft rock style. He thought the songs on the album were consistent in quality, but also thought that the album would not appeal to fans of their earlier works. thought...thought...thought... I think it's difficult to make "thought" claims. We can't really verify their thoughts. They could have thought something entirely different than what they wrote. "Said" or "wrote" is verifiable. Not disqualifying. 1983-1984 According to Ibbotson, the band chose to switch producers after moving to Warner, as they thought Putnam and Landis, despite working in country music, "thought they had to cover all bases." -- this sentence needs a little work. I'm not entirely sure what it's trying to say. 1988-1989 The first paragraph opens with McEuen leaving the band, but the second-to-last sentence says the band was reduced to a quartet that included McEuen. Something is needed in this paragraph for clarity. Earl Scruggs's son, Randy, produced the album. The album featured over 200 guests in total -- the album... the album. Repetitive. Not disqualifying. Musical styles Walter Tunis of the Lexington Herald-Leader thought that of them as an early example of the California-based country rock movement of the 1970s furthered by bands such as the Flying Burrito Brothers and Eagles, and that such a comparison was furthered when Leadon, a former member of both bands, joined. He also thought --here's that old thought chestnut again. Not disqualifying. He also thought that the band's sound during the 1970s was comparable to the Eagles -- as above.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	Lead Inconsistency in album year of last paragraph, parenthetical vs. prose. Not disqualifying.	Pass

Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	Good to go here. A couple of suggestions that could be broadly applied to the other Newspaper.com links, but not something that is disqualifying for the purposes of a GA review. 1967-1971 Suggest clipping the article as a link for others who may not have Newspapers.com access. Not disqualifying. 1972-1977 Source 17: Suggest clipping the article for those without Newspapers access. Not disqualifying. 1978-1981 Source 34: Suggest clipping the article for those without Newspapers access. Not disqualifying.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	This article relies heavily on the AllMusic biography of the band by Mark Deming. Other references to AllMusic are album reviews and certainly allowable in the context they are used in, but the biography being cited 28 times gives me some given WP:ALLMUSIC. Deming wrote a lot for AllMusic, and appears to be a paid employee writing for the site (and thus would have a vested interest in getting things right, hopefully) rather than random user. Details in the biography are corroborated by other sources, including some created before the advent of the Internet as we know it, suggesting that Deming did his research. All that said, nothing cited to the Deming bio is controversial or contentious. I'm not inclined to fail this nom for the use of the Deming biography, but would invite TenPoundHammer to see if they can replace some of the Deming references with other more reliable publications. This could just be me projecting too much from the FA process though. Additional specifics from the spot check that I think definitely should be addressed before passing this are below: 1967-1971 Source 10: It's indicated in the prose that Campbell was writing for the AP at the time. I'm not seeing any indication that Poughkeepsie Journal article listed is from the AP. Would be good to take a look at that. 1983-1984 In 1983, the band reverted its name to Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. Al Garth and Vic Mastrionni both quit the band at this point and Ibbotson rejoined as a vocalist and bass guitarist; as a result, Fadden began playing drums in addition to his existing role as harmonica player. -- I'm not seeing this in the adjacent sources. It might be in one of the books I don't have access to. I'd throw another citation at the end here for clarity. At this point, the band began finding success in country music, a move which McEuen attributed to changing tastes among fans of rock and pop music. -- This was Hanna according to the source. According to Ibbotson, the band chose to switch producers after moving to Warner, as they thought Putnam and Landis, despite working in country music, "thought they had to cover all bases." -- this is not supported by the source at the end of the sentence, and the quote does not appear in that source. Musical styles Rickey Ferguson thought the country influences were more evident on Plain Dirt Fashion due to the use of instruments such as Dobro, fiddle, and mandolin. -- source does not mention Dobro	Pass
(c) (original research)	Well-sourced and cited throughout. Not seeing OR here.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	Source spot check show no copyvio/plagiarism.	Pass

Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Very comprehensive. Well done!	Pass
(b) (focused)	This is NGDB all the way through.	Pass

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Well written, good balance of praise and criticism from the reviewers. Good work!	Pass

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Comment	Result
Relatively new and no sign of edit warring or ongoing	Pass

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	I don't see anything that jumps out to me as inappropriate in the licensing of these images.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Good to go.	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	There are several small items I think should be addressed, and I invite TenPoundHammer to consider replacing references to the Deming AllMusic biography with other more reliable sources where possible. Overall, excellent work on this and I think it is super close to being promoted. Update: All comments have been addressed. Great work! I am happy to promote. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Looks like a lot of the reference issues are from me accidentally moving around footnotes and forgetting to put them back. I'll work on that first. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@M4V3R1CK32: Think I took care of all the issues so far. I tried to mix up the words more, and I think I got all the footnotes. Added a bit more from McEuen's book to corroborate a couple points. AllMusic source should be fine. Only time AllMusic for a bio was a problem was Pirates of the Mississippi, where their bio is so inaccurate as to be useless. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 08:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TenPoundHammer: I'm in agreement on AllMusic. Thanks for addressing, I am happy to promote this article! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.

[2] Footnotes must be used for in-line citations.

[3] This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.

[4] Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.

[5] Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.

[6] The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.

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